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      06-21-2019, 03:06 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Gordon Murray's T.50

looks like a new McLaren F1 with less 1000kg curb weight target.. this will be really interesting launching it name under his own company in 2022.. naturally aspirated Cosworth-GMA 3.9L V12 that revs above 12k rpm.. yeah above 12k rpm..

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And a manual transmission. If I had the means...
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Is that the valkyrie cosworth engine by any chance
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Will be interesting once they have a clay model at least.
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Is that the valkyrie cosworth engine by any chance
yes it is but with less bore stroke apparently.. and no flywheel idea is pretty great..
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may not be that excited for a lot of people but tomorrow is the day they unveil the car.. less than 24 hours now..

https://gordonmurrayautomotive.com ..
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wow. How do you avoid valve float at those engine speeds? Does it use one of those free valve systems with no cam shafts and pneumatic or electrically actuated valves?
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Stiff springs (possibly pneumatic), and light valves
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78 mins later if anyone wanted to watch..

https://www.motor1.com/news/437333/g...estream-debut/ ..
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78 mins later if anyone wanted to watch..

https://www.motor1.com/news/437333/g...estream-debut/ ..

So freaking awesome. Thanks for posting the link
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A fan car? Unreal!
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A manual, a V12 and lighter than a Miata?! Yes, please. Now where did I put my $3M?
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This is the most important car in a long time.
Small, light weight, manual, all the tech/performance used to go fast around a track.

This is basically the complete opposite of today's huge, heavy, automated cars.
And thank god GM has the vision to see what essence of motoring deserve to be preserved.

Even the styling is reserved and elegant comparing to today's over styled super cars.
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This is the most important car in a long time.
Small, light weight, manual, all the tech/performance used to go fast around a track.

This is basically the complete opposite of today's huge, heavy, automated cars.
And thank god GM has the vision to see what essence of motoring deserve to be preserved.

Even the styling is reserved and elegant comparing to today's over styled super cars.
Absolutely marvelous
The Gordon Murray interview with Harry's Garage about this car was very good.
I'm actually a bit disappointed in the T.50. I see an update on the F1 with a bit of Pagani Zonda design elements. T.50 is fabulous but the F1 I think is more beautiful an original.
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i remember like in the beginning of T50 car wouldnt be like McLaren F1 no central driving position etc.. maybe i remember it wrong or GM changed his idea.. car is not that handsome with the affects of McLaren F1 and LaFerrari or maybe headlights are just messing the whole thing but seems like GM took the McLaren F1 to 2020 tech and ideas.. but putting a fan on a road car and things like stalling the diffuser for less downforce when needed and making the car like a virtual long tail is another step in automotive industry.. i feel like GM didnt break any aero rules like with super high expectation but he carried his previous inventions to the next step on a road car.. he told few times like McLaren F1 wasnt perfect in a way like they didnt let him but it sounded more like a sub message this car is way better than McLaren F1 without breaking its fame.. felt a bit disappointed but probably since GM is such a different level designer not because the end product is bad.. its awesome..

mechanical part having very high revving V12 engine, taking induction very near the driver, crazy lightweight body and parts is just the best in the world right now.. and it ll take some time for other cars to catch probably again like times back in McLaren F1.. hastily looking forward to see how it drives and stuff!!

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A manual, a V12 and lighter than a Miata?! Yes, please. Now where did I put my $3M?
hehe yeah was asking the same question..
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Everything about this car: the man behind it, the passion, the reasons for building it, the emphasis on feel, theatre & experience rather than 0-60, top-speed or lap times...the formula & recipe is just the complete antithesis of the modern supercar and even the modern/future automobile.

It's absolutely incredible that Gordon Murray & Cosworth were able to create a small window (for the 100 or so lucky bastards) to experience this alternate parallel universe where of a supercar/driver's car that is devoid of everything that has, in recent years, slowly contributed to the erosion of the emotional driving experience (corporate executive boards, bean-counters, marketing teams, techies, fuel economy/environment, horsepower/torque wars, shift-times, lap-times, acceleration times, top-speed, badge-whores, etc.).

The T.50 is a bittersweet manifestation in many ways.
It's with great appreciation, admiration, and excitement that a car like this can even exist in 2020, that someone took the effort, time, and resources to make an actual production car as a middle finger to the enumerated 'eroders' and as a last hurrah for an analog driving experience at the highest & purest level.
But it's also with great sadness knowing that there will likely never be anything else like it, and hearing Gordon Murray praise the BMW S70 V12 decades after its inception really brings to light the stark contrast between the BMW of then, and the BMW of today. Some three decades later, BMW still has respectable engines, but supplying a modular Inline-6 to a mass-produced Toyota and being approached by a renowned Formula 1 designer to build a bespoke V12 engine with strict requirements for a supercar are two different levels.

A huge kudos to Gordon Murray for putting so much soul and thought into genuine automotive passion & for valuing the emotional side of driving that has been lost or diluted many times over in the auto industry.

If anyone wonders what a sportscar/supercar/driver's car in this decade would look like if it were strictly developed by engineers, then this is it.
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its crazy.. Gordon Murray has such a fame that he is selling cars from a sketch he made and based on few lines of description.. and getting paid 3-4m dollars 2-3 years before the delivery..

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New car added to my dream car list lol. I would like to just have a cocktail with Murray and listen to his stories.
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Car is not that handsome? Doesn't look great?

Just goes to prove Gordon's point. That today's consumer is so enamored with form over function that they have no idea what actually constitute a beautiful aesthetics because it FUNCTIONS.

This car doesn't have aggressive spats, dive planes, aero intakes, sharp creases, bulges, massive grills and all that unnecessary garbage most car manufacturers put on cars because it doesn't need it. It's able to generate all that downforce because of ingenuity.

It is the MOST beautiful car to have been designed in the last 30 years IMO. It is first, and foremost, a epitome of a driver's car distilled through the mind of one of the best automotive designer to have ever lived. Every part, shape, form, has a specific function.

It's a giant middle finger to the average plebeian car owners, and every bit fan service to those that enjoy driving for what it is.
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.. and getting paid 3-4m dollars 2-3 years before the delivery..
I guarantee you that that value is only going to go UP. This is a car that you can buy for $4M, and in 10 years it'd be worth $25M.

There will never be a car like this again. Ever.
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