[H_T]

You can’t code ASS anymore with Bimmercode since the last updates from BMW.

It’s very frustrating, if I forget to turn it off the car comes to an annoying shut off as I complete my brief stop.

Does anyone know if any BMW dealer can officially code it off, and if so how much?

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by H_T

You can’t code ASS anymore with Bimmercode since the last updates from BMW.

It’s very frustrating, if I forget to turn it off the car comes to an annoying shut off as I complete my brief stop.

Does anyone know if any BMW dealer can officially code it off, and if so how much?

Have you tried Bimmercode in Pro mode to disable it ?
I'm sure someone here can direct you to the module.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

Have you tried Bimmercode in Pro mode to disable it ?
I'm sure someone here can direct you to the module.

My experience with BC is that they chase down BMW disabling updates with their own patches and software updates. They kind of have to or their product would be worth shit.

[H_T]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

Have you tried Bimmercode in Pro mode to disable it ?
I'm sure someone here can direct you to the module.

My understanding it is now disabled from BMW HQ due to a battery drain issue with some models. At some point last year (July?) coding doesn’t work.

There are a few posts regarding this on here. Bimmercode said they were working on it but nothing has changed.

[SquareWheels]

Originally Posted by SquareWheels

Thanks for the replies.

Does that void my warranty?
If I did that, do they undo it when they service the car?

So, true or not, I decided not to take a chance. I asked my dealer, and this is the response I got on the warranty.

I wanted to let you know that this will void the warranty on the car as soon as it is plugged in. It will flag it in the cars computer and even if it is taken off before you come in for service it is still in the computer and BMW will flag it in their system and your warranty will be voided for anything related to engine, transmission, drive train. I would avoid putting anything on it at this time. You purchased an extended warranty through 7/12/30 or 75K that will be voided as well

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by SquareWheels

So, true or not, I decided not to take a chance. I asked my dealer, and this is the response I got on the warranty.

I wanted to let you know that this will void the warranty on the car as soon as it is plugged in. It will flag it in the cars computer and even if it is taken off before you come in for service it is still in the computer and BMW will flag it in their system and your warranty will be voided for anything related to engine, transmission, drive train. I would avoid putting anything on it at this time. You purchased an extended warranty through 7/12/30 or 75K that will be voided as well

That is complete bullshit. We are all screwed. 90% of us have “plugged in” and used BimmerCode to shut this off and do many other personal tweaking.

At my dealer, my account is noted “customer has custom coding, do not update software”, this is on the work order where they perform warranty work related to the engine.

The start stop “feature” came into play in 2011 or so. Everyone in my circles has been coding it off for the last 13 years. I haven’t read one story where the dealer pulled the warranty. If this where the case, after 13+ years I’m sure this would have been viral at some point.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

That is complete bullshit. We are all screwed. 90% of us have “plugged in” and used BimmerCode to shut this off and do many other personal tweaking.

At my dealer, my account is noted “customer has custom coding, do not update software”, this is on the work order where they perform warranty work related to the engine.

The start stop “feature” came into play in 2011 or so. Everyone in my circles has been coding it off for the last 13 years. I haven’t read one story where the dealer pulled the warranty. If this where the case, after 13+ years I’m sure this would have been viral at some point.

It was first reported on this forum years ago when MY2020 cars were given iDrive 7. BMW added internal tracking to the cars software that allows it to flag custom coding. This is relayed to BMW AG in Germany when checks are made. So they can nuke the warranty citing the custom changes.

MY2019 and older cars don’t have that functionality. So a dealership can “look the other way” as they would be required to tell BMW AG, but they would just opt not to.

Once I am at a computer I will find the thread. It is also mentioned in a TSB or technical document on the forum as well.

We might not hear a lot about it as it might only matter in “big ticket” repairs. Where BMW NA wants an out, but the risk is there. Either way, I have decided not to do any coding to my car until my BMW Extended Warranty expires. You don’t have a BMW ESC so that risk doesn’t apply in your case.


https://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1641603

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

It was first reported on this forum years ago when MY2020 cars were given iDrive 7. BMW added internal tracking to the cars software that allows it to flag custom coding. This is relayed to BMW AG in Germany when checks are made. So they can nuke the warranty citing the custom changes.

MY2019 and older cars don’t have that functionality. So a dealership can “look the other way” as they would be required to tell BMW AG, but they would just opt not to.


Once I am at a computer I will find the thread. It is also mentioned in a TSB or technical document on the forum as well.

I have a 2020, and have coded all kinds of things. Never once has my SA or dealership mentioned anything. And they actually flashed my car with new software causing me to recode everything afterwards. Even after that, never said anything to me.

I did read about BMW sending OTA messages to its "cloud" when the car's DME notices higher than normal parameters. Such as higher boost and timing (tunes). I dont ever recall coding mentioned.

I agree with Joe on this. BMW would get a class action lawsuit if they killed warranties for changing LED colors.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

It was first reported on this forum years ago when MY2020 cars were given iDrive 7. BMW added internal tracking to the cars software that allows it to flag custom coding. This is relayed to BMW AG in Germany when checks are made. So they can nuke the warranty citing the custom changes.

MY2019 and older cars don’t have that functionality. So a dealership can “look the other way” as they would be required to tell BMW AG, but they would just opt not to.


Once I am at a computer I will find the thread. It is also mentioned in a TSB or technical document on the forum as well.

I look forward to actual proof that BMW voided the warranty of an owner because they coded their car, specifically, disabling auto stop start.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

I look forward to actual proof that BMW voided the warranty of an owner because they coded their car, specifically, disabling auto stop start.

I am not going to argue about proof. I don’t think there is any real value in it.

It is important to point out risks though as that’s what this place is for. Each owner can then do what they will with the information.

Some may lease and not really care. Some may not care about the warranty loss in general. Some may have a third party warranty. Etc etc etc

For me, it would be silly to risk my warranty extension considering it’s upfront cost and I’d rather not be in a fight with BMW NA arguing the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. I doubt BimmerCode would step in there either like Dinan would on a tune.

For anyone else. Do exactly as you please armed with full information.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

I am not going to argue about proof. I don’t think there is any real value in it.

It is important to point out risks though as that’s what this place is for. Each owner can then do what they will with the information.

Some may lease and not really care. Some may not care about the warranty loss in general. Some may have a third party warranty. Etc etc etc

For me, it would be silly to risk my warranty extension considering it’s upfront cost and I’d rather not be in a fight with BMW NA arguing the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. I doubt BimmerCode would step in there either like Dinan would on a tune.

For anyone else. Do exactly as you please armed with full information.

My point is, none of what you are calling risk has ever actually happened to anyone. There’s lots of fine print everywhere that is never enforced. BMW isn’t in the business of voiding warranties for changing ambient light colors or coding a 200mph speedo. They certainly want to be on record for bench ECU tune flashes in the case of catastrophic engine failure caused by aggressive tunes.

At a minimum, dig out that thread on 2020+ stating that big brother is watching you coding off seat belt chimes.

Mind you, all codings (not tunes) are simply switches that BMW actually puts in the cars software which are fully accessible with ISTA at the dealer.

There is warning people and then there is yelling fire in a movie theatre.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

My point is, none of what you are calling risk has ever actually happened to anyone. There’s lots of fine print everywhere that is never enforced. BMW isn’t in the business of voiding warranties for changing ambient light colors or coding a 200mph speedo. They certainly want to be on record for bench ECU tune flashes in the case of catastrophic engine failure caused by aggressive tunes.

At a minimum, dig out that thread on 2020+ stating that big brother is watching you coding off seat belt chimes.

Mind you, all codings (not tunes) are simply switches that BMW actually puts in the cars software which are fully accessible with ISTA at the dealer.

There is warning people and then there is yelling fire in a movie theatre.

I just remembered that I accidentally left my OBD port scanner plugged in when I had my software updated. They left it on my Passenger seat when I picked it up. Never said a word about it. LOL

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

My point is, none of what you are calling risk has ever actually happened to anyone. There’s lots of fine print everywhere that is never enforced. BMW isn’t in the business of voiding warranties for changing ambient light colors or coding a 200mph speedo. They certainly want to be on record for bench ECU tune flashes in the case of catastrophic engine failure caused by aggressive tunes.

At a minimum, dig out that thread on 2020+ stating that big brother is watching you coding off seat belt chimes.

Mind you, all codings (not tunes) are simply switches that BMW actually puts in the cars software which are fully accessible with ISTA at the dealer.

There is warning people and then there is yelling fire in a movie theatre.

Yelling fire in a crowded movie theater?

The summation of my post and the post I was also responding in line with are simple. The car logs the changes made and that could be an issue.

That's no different than the ambiguity around if BMW will void you warranty for using non-star marked tires for xDrive or mixing tires of various tread depths.

I find your dismissive nature unhelpful honestly. You dismissed SquareWheels who posted that their dealer informed them of these facts. That the car does record the changes and it could be problematic.

You're still on that same train. That it is "100% impossible" that this will cause problems or as you put it "That is complete bullshit."

Except, if it does you're not the one losing your warranty. And your extended warranty is with Route 66 not BMW.

The basic point that I am making, and it is not fear mongering, is very simple:

The car tracks coding changes. Those coding changes might be problematic during a warranty repair or they may not.

With that. I'm out as this exchange is frustrating to be honest.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

Yelling fire in a crowded movie theater?

The summation of my post and the post I was also responding in line with are simple. The car logs the changes made and that could be an issue.

That's no different than the ambiguity around if BMW will void you warranty for using non-star marked tires for xDrive or mixing tires of various tread depths.

I find your dismissive nature unhelpful honestly. You dismissed SquareWheels who posted that their dealer informed them of these facts. That the car does record the changes and it could be problematic.

You're still on that same train. That it is "100% impossible" that this will cause problems or as you put it "That is complete bullshit."

Except, if it does you're not the one losing your warranty. And your extended warranty is with Route 66 not BMW.

The basic point that I am making, and it is not fear mongering, is very simple:

The car tracks coding changes. Those coding changes might be problematic during a warranty repair or they may not.

With that. I'm out as this exchange is frustrating to be honest.

Links you promised please to support your claims before you tap out.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

Links you promised please to support your claims before you tap out.

TSB noting BMW can detect tweaks via ITSA and may challenge warranties as a result:



https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...05598-9999.pdf

BimmerCode confirming adjusting Auto Start Stop is a modification in the DME control unit.



You can see people discussing their warranties being nuked for S0777 flags.

https://www.google.com/search?q=s0777+bmw

[HerkHealer]

This is exactly what I wrote earlier.
The DME detects any over boost or excessive timing and uses the OTA capabilities to send those parameters to the BMW cloud.

The DME controls and modifies EVERY electrical component on our cars.
So yes, you're correct that changing LED light colors does go through the DME, but that does not mean that BMW is "saving" of "flagging" that in any way to potentially void someone's warranty. They are more interested in finding out who is tuning their car and causing damages.
The day I met my SA, he advised me not to tune the car as BMW is now watching. Oddly enough, HE was the one who first introduced me to "coding" the car to my preferences.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

This is exactly what I wrote earlier.
The DME detects any over boost or excessive timing and uses the OTA capabilities to send those parameters to the BMW cloud.

The DME controls and modifies EVERY electrical component on our cars.
So yes, you're correct that changing LED light colors does go through the DME, but that does not mean that BMW is "saving" of "flagging" that in any way to potentially void someone's warranty. They are more interested in finding out who is tuning their car and causing damages.
The day I met my SA, he advised me not to tune the car as BMW is now watching. Oddly enough, HE was the one who first introduced me to "coding" the car to my preferences.

Ambient lighting isn’t the DME… That’s the BDC…

It isn’t exactly clear what ITSA is checking for when evaluating DME modifications. BMW noted a lot of areas that the DME controls. BimmerCode notes that this is in the “Engine” portion of the DME which BMW flags.

I don’t really get why we’re all arguing over this so much. Informing owners of this risk seems warranted. We’re all free to then do what we want to with that information.

Sharing this sort of information is the core value of these forums.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

Ambient lighting isn’t the DME… That’s the BDC…

It isn’t exactly clear what ITSA is checking for when evaluating DME modifications. BMW noted a lot of areas that the DME controls. BimmerCode notes that this is in the “Engine” portion of the DME which BMW flags.

I don’t really get why we’re all arguing over this so much. Informing owners of this risk seems warranted. We’re all free to then do what we want to with that information.

Sharing this sort of information is the core value of these forums.

The DME, or Digital Motor Electronics, is the unit that controls all aspects of your vehicle's electrical operations.

So the DME controls the BDC. You still have no proof that BMW is specifically flagging the ASS feature. You assume that because its part of the engine portion. If they were flagging it, it would be mentioned in the bulletin they sent out. Yet all that is mentioned is boost and timing.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

The DME, or Digital Motor Electronics, is the unit that controls all aspects of your vehicle's electrical operations.

So the DME controls the BDC. You still have no proof that BMW is specifically flagging the ASS feature. You assume that because its part of the engine portion. If they were flagging it, it would be mentioned in the bulletin they sent out. Yet all that is mentioned is boost and timing.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

TSB noting BMW can detect tweaks via ITSA and may challenge warranties as a result:

Attachment 3367738

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...05598-9999.pdf

BimmerCode confirming adjusting Auto Start Stop is a modification in the DME control unit.

Attachment 3367737

You can see people discussing their warranties being nuked for S0777 flags.

https://www.google.com/search?q=s0777+bmw

With all due respect, this bulletin has nothing to do with Bimmercode type coding. It's all about flash tuning the DME for performance (which they can see in detail). This is why all these mechanical components are mentioned as they could be susceptible to failure because of performance tuning. This is really nothing new Logical.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

Attachment 3367786

Thank you, I am well aware what the BDC does. This has nothing to do with your TIS, which has nothing to do with comfort coding.

[Joe-BMW33]

Finally, informing owners of a risk is totally fine, but you are wrong on this one. So spreading false information or misinterpreting information that I am sure was genuinely born out of ignorance on your part, needs to be corrected. I know you mean well.

In terms of SquareWheels Service Advisor, we all know that idiot SA's can talk out of their ass. Ask my seasoned 20+ year veteran SA the same question on will coding off ASS void my warranty and you will get the opposite, correct, answer, after she finished laughing at the question.