[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by 08njSTEP

Hyundai can give 50k and those cars are refrigerator with wheels. BMW doesn't have shareholders. Its privately owned. If the cost is only wiper blades and 1 oil change then this is a REALLY stupid move. The ill will is certainly not worth the savings.

First, they do have shareholders. Second, its not stupid for them. They have done the calculation and the savings is worth it or they wouldn't be doing it.

[IndotagSwizz]

this is pathetic, my car went over 50k a couple of months ago, made the mistake of not getting extended warranty before going over the 50k, GRANTED 100% MY FAULT, however when I inquired about any extended warranty I could purchase I was told they don't even offer any after the 50k miles, all they offer is one that ONLY COVERS THE ENGINE AND TRASMISSION BUT NOTHING ELSE.... c'mon man they don't believe in their own product at all...why should I???? ......

[crono06]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Maintenance, Maintenance, Maintenance, Maintenance, Maintenance


Warranty Is 4 Yr/50,000 Miles, Warranty Is 4 Yr/50,000 Miles. No Change, No Change, No Change.

Yeah, seems like there are a lot of people are jumping to conclusions without fully reading.

Originally Posted by remydlc

Breaks and other thigns are part of the maintenance program, not the warranty. It seems that's what people are mostly upset about. You cant claim break pads replacement under the warranty afaik.

I'd say you're right, but if there is something wrong with the brake system, then I would be more than willing to bet that they would replace the affected parts.

Also wanted to add that this has nothing to do with BMW not wanting to 'back' their products. If the warranty remains as it is now, then they are still standing behind their cars. Maintenance plan =/= warranty claim.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by David70

Looks like Cadillac's program is now the best.

If the poll is right, many of us will be driving Cadillacs within 3 years. Quick, go buy some of that GM stock.

[Killramos]

Not sure if this has been mentioned in the preceding 7 pages but pretty sure my maintenance program in Canada ( 4 yr transferable form 2014) never included Clutch, Brakes, Wiper Blades. I had the option to pay a bit more to upgrade the coverage to include those items. But they were excluded from the basic program as "wear and tear" items.

Sounds like the American version was just to good to be true?

[JNoSol]

One of the reasons I choose BMW and never keep them past 50k is the free maintenance. This would make me re-consider Porsche or Jag on the next car purchase.

Bad move BMW.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by GRUESOM3

They don't build them like they use to, simple as that.

Its true. They are better now.

[Unklejoe]

The people who keep making the arguments:

"It's only a single oil change and some wiper blades" ---or---
"If you can't afford wiper blades on your $60,000 car, you should re-evaluate your purchase"

...are missing the point.

If it's such an insignificant difference, why would they bother doing it? It gives off the impression that they're scraping for margins.

It has a negative psychological impact on potential customers.

Consider it to be like "unlimited" cell phone plans. Most people with unlimited plans don't actually use any more data than they could get with a regular plan, but they pay the premium for the "piece of mind" - the thought of not having to worry about ANYTHING under any circumstances.

Sure, financially, it's not as efficient for the customer, but the value of "piece of mind" is hard to determine.

Remember, most people who buy BMWs are not the type of people who are going to be doing their own maintenance. They would rather pay a premium to not even have to think about it. That's why the plan was such a hit in the first place.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by tony093

Time to move to other luxury brand for me...

Can you see a Cadillac on your garage? That's our choice for 4-year free maintenance. Which model are you getting?

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by 64-bit

It sounds like I will be looking for an Audi instead as my next car.

BMW is making sales and numbers records every year and yet the still increasing prices and removing the good stuff as transferable warranty and now this, it just not fair to the buyer.

FYI - I still really pissied that a honda civic for 16K comes with cameras and a 70K M3 does not, this is just bull load of stuff.

Funny how maint. Makes you switch to Audi..

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by Msanity

Fuuuuuckkkk that. This will ABSOLUTELY make me reevaluate purchasing another BMW in the future. I'm on my 6th new BMW now (3rd M) and I always purchase as opposed to lease. The 4yr/48k warranty is something that inspires confidence in the brand and makes you feel comfortable with ownership. Dropping to 3/36 is a blatant statement that you cannot trust the quality as much as in the past. If they are cutting the warranty by 25% (not to mention dropping brakes and clutch - WTF????), what other corners are they cutting? I think this is going to hurt sales badly for BMW in the future. I can almost certainly say that I will not purchase another BMW in the future and I will switch to another brand. This is a HUGE disappointment. HUGE. HUUUUUUUGE!!

Maintenance change, not warranty change. Still an issue expecially for M owners, but not quite the same as reducing warranty coverage.

[inFamousKicks]

Yikes

[-c-]

Originally Posted by 08njSTEP

Hyundai can give 50k and those cars are refrigerator with wheels. BMW doesn't have shareholders. Its privately owned. If the cost is only wiper blades and 1 oil change then this is a REALLY stupid move. The ill will is certainly not worth the savings.

I two thought they were privately owned but they do actually trade on the market! They are owned mainly by one family but are publicly traded.

Look it up.

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This whole move maybe costs me a couple hundred max so I'll just beat that out of the dealer next time we negotiate price.

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[E92inNC]

Sucks that Lexus doesn't offer the IS in manual, I'd be all over the 200t. I was just on Audi's website and the it seems the A3 and '17 A4 only come in auto dual clutch.

Unfortunately the MT entry luxury-sport car is very limited now.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by Downeaster1

As a dealership technician, I know for a fact people abuse the hell out of the system. We have people who have cages in their M3/M4's who clearly track their car, and then bring it in for brake vibration. I've manipulated my own CBS data to reflect due oil changes and I think I'm on my 8th or 9th warranty oil change (because I don't agree for a second about their 15k mile oil services). If you own a manual transmission vehicle, I HIGHLY suggest getting them to throw a clutch in there before you can't anymore. Just be warned, it's impossible to get a flywheel covered.

Just curious around how much is it to replace brakes on an F8x or clutch?

[adc]

Originally Posted by greekcs

Whats the average cost of pads and rotors, installed? Will OE parts be required if its on our dime?

On an M car, front rotors are about $450 a piece, a little less in the rear. Rotors and pads are $2k in parts alone, a major expense even if you change them yourself.

I would have to have to do this at the end of my lease.

[PARTSFROMERIK]

Originally Posted by alexandertg21

A dealer tech should know all new cars are on 10k oil changes now.

Love,
Dealer parts guy

Now us dealer part guys will be making money on those wholesale accounts buying brake pads for those mom and pop shops

yay commission lol

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by M3 Esq

Yikes, no more free brake jobs after I fry them at the track?

This^^ exactly what I was thinking, I had to get new rotors after 2 track days and about 11k miles

[PARTSFROMERIK]

Originally Posted by Powaup

Just curious around how much is it to replace brakes on an F8x or clutch?

At our dealer just in parts 1053.29$ for the clutch kit.

[fazman]

Originally Posted by SanMarino_F82

3YR/36K-----NO BRAKES, NO CLUTCH, NO WIPERS, NO BELTS

New 3-year or 36,000 mile, No Cost Scheduled Maintenance.

Beginning with MY 2017, all new BMW vehicles will come with 3-year, 36,000 mile, No Cost Scheduled Maintenance. As it is with the current program this coverage is non-transferable. In March 2016 we will offer an additional range of fully transferable dealer-sold MPU products that provide an opportunity to further enhance and extend coverage.

The table below illustrates the covered content in both the current 4-year or 50,000 mile program and the new 3-year, 36,000 mile, No Cost Scheduled program. The new program applies only to new car sales with model year 2017 and beyond.


Official Announcement:

While I love my CPO'ed 335, the main allure was the extended warranty and the service available. Now that it's gone, the price/value of a BMW is going to come down in MY2017 and again in 2020 when it's up for CPO sales. If it's not... then time for me to go back to Japanese since they are easier to maintain (I will never consider a domestic brand).

[adc]

Originally Posted by I'm wrong

Your brake issues would still be solved (id est: replaced) by the warranty. So not a big deal.

Nope. It went under maintenance, I asked. The brakes were still functioning, i.e. stopping the car so it wasn't a defect. They just decided it was "accelerated wear" or something, and told me it was going to be be the only free brake job on the X1 I'd ever get.

They would only cover it under warranty if it had some type of catastrophic failure.

[iamdabest1]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I've owned/leased 6 BMWs since 2006: two 5's, one 3, the i8, the M6 and the X5. I daresay that I've saved enough on maintenance to cover the cost of the 3 over the last 10 years.

This is a major difference for serial owners like myself and, indeed, my entire family. Collectively we own 12 BMWs among 7 individuals. Thought I love the driving dynamics of BMWs, I would be forced to look at other brands if the free maintenance went entirely away.

Cheers-mk

I dropped my maserati ghibli when I found out I had a $4,000 break and rotor job coming up at 14,000 miles. If Bmw makes me pay for maintenance , then might as well have any other car. Lexus , Mercedes, audi , maserati .. There's no reason to stay loyal to Bmw .