[IEDEI]

meh....this is all marketing garbage. Wake me when there's an M2 to look at.

the 1M was marketed as the E30 M3 successor. Poor memory people have it seems.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

meh....this is all marketing garbage. Wake me when there's an M2 to look at.

the 1M was marketed as the E30 M3 successor. Poor memory people have it seems.

Damn can anyone read? Nowhere does it say E30M3 successor. It says 'styling cues' from the E30M3. Meaning boxed flares and fixed rear wing. That's it.

T

[crawfordbay]

Originally Posted by Artemis

A certain "Herr26" (hm, very likely "The Sipping One") posted the following interesting comment under the recent Bimmerfile article "Rumor: BMW to build an M2 CSL?" (http://www.bimmerfile.com/2015/03/19...ild-an-m2-csl/):

"The standard M2 is a more realistic version of the Vision GT which when you bring it back into typical M proportions you still get a muscular body and uniquely honed aerodynamic packet. The "sibling" packs on more "visual" bulk so it looks like an M2 but with additional equipment it's slightly wider but this is helped by the add-on wheel arches at the same width of the M235i Race Car [BMW M235i Racing]. Not too big and not too wide but the differences in width between standard and "sibling" are apparent as is the aerodynamics aided with a more race-like splitter, diffuser and spoiler. It's the first BMW "Batmobile" since the E21.
The body is not the only difference between both cars. Crucial performance figures will differ as will weight with the sibling being tuned more for the track."

For the record: max width of the BMW M235i Racing = 1,862mm (without mirrors).

Ohhooooo boy! I must've missed that.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by crawfordbay

Ohhooooo boy! I must've missed that.

Yeah same thanks, hmm confused now wondering what will be out when...

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

Damn can anyone read? Nowhere does it say E30M3 successor. It says 'styling cues' from the E30M3. Meaning boxed flares and fixed rear wing. That's it.

T

you may be able to read, but you must have the intuitive interpretative talents of a paralyzed squid. Clearly they do not meantioned influence and inspiration just as a matter-of-fact; in marketing strategy it is done to forge a connection.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

you may be able to read, but you must have the intuitive interpretative talents of a paralyzed squid. Clearly they do not meantioned influence and inspiration just as a matter-of-fact; in marketing strategy it is done to forge a connection.

If it looks like it then that's enough of a connection. Sure it may be marketing but that doesn't mean it's not at least slightly true.

[Reedomn]

BMW......please give us something soon! These threads are going nowhere!!!

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by Reedomn

BMW......please give us something soon! These threads are going nowhere!!!

+1 We haven't had anything substantial, even mule shots, for the last couple of months now...

[Artemis]

Looking forward to the soon-to-be-released official M2 info.

More generally, let's see what marketing strategy BMW M comes up with in the forthcoming months: only teasers about the softcore M2 (base M2) that goes into production this November, or also suggestions about a hardcore, more track-focused M2 (M2 CSL/GTS) in the works, likely due for release sometime in 2016 or later ?

How will they deal marketing-wise with the possibility that potential M2 customers might keep sitting on the fence to first also know the specs of the M2 CSL/GTS (street legal, engine layout, performance, design, price, release, etc.), especially after first car journalist reviews likely indicating that a hardcore variant is on its way.

Comparison:

• the Porsche Cayman GTS was introduced in March 2014 (GTS press release). True that GT4 plans and spy shots were discussed on dedicated forums, but Porsche did not spill the beans about it. It was definitely something for the future and likely would slot into a different price range than the GTS.
• February 2015: *BAM* here's the fascinating Cayman GT4 (less than a year since GTS introduction) (GT4 press release). The future appeared to be actually now and it slots just above the GTS price range.

Some Cayman GTS customers may regret not having waited for the Cayman GT4.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

you may be able to read, but you must have the intuitive interpretative talents of a paralyzed squid. Clearly they do not meantioned influence and inspiration just as a matter-of-fact; in marketing strategy it is done to forge a connection.

Geez. Reread the quote from the interview again. 'Styling' cues. Not driving dynamics, not visceral feel, not steering, auditory etc etc etc.

It will have as much in common with the E30M3 as the E36/46/90/F80 has. Nothing but heritage. They will have nothing in common except in the same marketing photo shoots, a line at the top of the fender flares and a fixed rear wing.

T

[olaosunt]

Originally Posted by Artemis

A certain "Herr26" (hm, very likely "The Sipping One") posted the following interesting comment under the recent Bimmerfile article "Rumor: BMW to build an M2 CSL?" (http://www.bimmerfile.com/2015/03/19...ild-an-m2-csl/):

"The standard M2 is a more realistic version of the Vision GT which when you bring it back into typical M proportions you still get a muscular body and uniquely honed aerodynamic packet. The "sibling" packs on more "visual" bulk so it looks like an M2 but with additional equipment it's slightly wider but this is helped by the add-on wheel arches at the same width of the M235i Race Car [BMW M235i Racing]. Not too big and not too wide but the differences in width between standard and "sibling" are apparent as is the aerodynamics aided with a more race-like splitter, diffuser and spoiler. It's the first BMW "Batmobile" since the E21.
The body is not the only difference between both cars. Crucial performance figures will differ as will weight with the sibling being tuned more for the track."

For the record: max width of the BMW M235i Racing = 1,862mm (without mirrors).

Kind of like the GT350 and GT350 R

[Adem1534]

April showers bring May flowers but maybe we can get some spy shots before April?? Venting my excitement

[Karmic Man]

Bring it on M, I want the hardcore version. That will stop me from thinking about moving over to GT4.

[oj34]

If there is a CSL/GTS version I hope it still has backseats. Otherwise it is from my list.
If 2 seats would be enough for me I would go Cayman.

[UpNcOmINg!]

Just wonder what the price differentiation will be on this car.
It would be priced above the stock M3/M4 for sure, but if the e46 M3 CSL is anything to go by, it would DEFINITELY be worth the money in the end, as long as manual is offered as well. Then again, DCT isnt SMG.
I really hope this is a lot of reference to the ///M2 itself.
BMW, put a car on the road for us to see today please.
Thanks

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Bring it on M, I want the hardcore version. That will stop me from thinking about moving over to GT4.

My buddy picked up a 997 S this weekend and cabrio no less...we were out and about in it yesterday and my god is that thing on a different level. The sound, the power delivery, just the experience of the thing was pretty effing awesome.

After spending a couple of hours in it, I finally understand. I have driven the M4 several times while considering the M3, and the experience just wasn't the same. Great cars - but the Porsche was simply different.

I imagine it will be the same with the M2 - GTS/GT4 comparo - which is nice, because there are options for whatever you want, but on the true sports car front, the Porsche is going to be really hard to beat.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Bring it on M, I want the hardcore version. That will stop me from thinking about moving over to GT4.

If you have a chance to get a GT4, you'd be crazy not to.

[briareos_ch]

did anyone notice the article of gtspirit?

... As for what will power the M2, the latest reports indicate that a brand new, next-generation 3.0-litre twin-turbocharged six-cylinder is likely to be given the green light. Designated as the S57 B30, the new engine will feature different internals to the same sized ‘six from the M3/M4. All up, it should deliver around 370 hp and come fitted with either a six-speed manual transmission or alternatively, an eight-speed dual-clutch gearbox...

S57 B30 ? Never heard of it, yet - at least, it woul be a S-engine from M-GmbH ?!

[W///]

Originally Posted by briareos_ch

did anyone notice the article of gtspirit?

... As for what will power the M2, the latest reports indicate that a brand new, next-generation 3.0-litre twin-turbocharged six-cylinder is likely to be given the green light. Designated as the S57 B30, the new engine will feature different internals to the same sized ‘six from the M3/M4. All up, it should deliver around 370 hp and come fitted with either a six-speed manual transmission or alternatively, an eight-speed dual-clutch gearbox...

S57 B30 ? Never heard of it, yet - at least, it woul be a S-engine from M-GmbH ?!

They're idiots. Ignore them.

[gaijin]

Porsche has been, still is and will be the benchmark. Hate to say it but it's true. Zuffenhausen has ruled for over 50 years. Both on-track and the streets. Read the majority of the missives to this thread. They allude to these facts.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by W///

They're idiots. Ignore them.

BMW blog is also awful. Insisting that the M2 aero will look exactly the same as the M4.

How can you be a BMW blog and be so wrong. And everyone commenting on it agrees with it, too. Frustrating. They must be blind.

[technik330]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

They must be blind.

People aren't blind, they simply see what they want to see just as much as they hear what the want to hear.

Again, we'll get the facts (from BMW, not Scott) when we do and we'll see the car when we do.

Until 'that' time, I don't understand why some of you guys get so bent out of shape?

I know Scott is like the Kool-Aid man and so many here are like "oh yeah", but I'll be the last one to drink the punch. If I need marketing BS to keep me interested in a car, then I was never really interested to begin with.

Can't wait to see the car in the flesh though...