[Tejas1836]

Electric vehicles have been around for well over 100 years, nothing Neo there

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Tejas1836

Electric vehicles have been around for well over 100 years, nothing Neo there

I wasn't asking for examples lol

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The lack of education is what sells EV either on a vehicle usability level.

The absolute irony

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

US power plants only 35% efficient?? I thought it was way higher than that...

40% is probably a good range if we want to count all carbon sources old and new, which represents what we actually have and use to charge EV's.

Some new natural gas systems get into the 60's, most existing do not. Some new coal gets into the high 40's,Most existing coal systems are in the 30's.

[Tambohamilton]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

40% is probably a good range if we want to count all carbon sources old and new, which represents what we actually have and use to charge EV's.

Some new natural gas systems get into the 60's, most existing do not. Some new coal gets into the high 40's,Most existing coal systems are in the 30's.

Wow, that's bad!

In 2020 the UK's electricity was generated and delivered at 74% efficiency, according to this:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Brief_2021.pdf

[Car-Addicted]

Isn't it interesting that the efficiency issues of all aspects of energy production and transportation are almost never considered in these discussions. For all this gnashing of teeth over saving the earth we are more likely to be more effective just making small changes in our personal lives like recycling or insulation rather that blowing $65,000.00 on a EV. A good garden beats a EV everyday for energy conservation.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

Wow, that's bad!

More than 60% of energy used for electricity generation is lost in conversion
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=44436

My point is that the source of EV power is almost never part of the save the planet conversation.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

Wow, that's bad!

In 2020 the UK's electricity was generated and delivered at 74% efficiency, according to this:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Brief_2021.pdf

Curious where on your link you are finding that number? Page #?

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

40% is probably a good range if we want to count all carbon sources old and new, which represents what we actually have and use to charge EV's.

Some new natural gas systems get into the 60's, most existing do not. Some new coal gets into the high 40's,Most existing coal systems are in the 30's.

And from what I remember, even the newer more efficient solar panels are only about 25% efficient which decreases over time as the panel ages.

[///MPhatic]

Yada yada yada, the article is trash, just as much as EV's are.

The tech just isn't there yet, and bio-fueled ICE cars make infinitely more sense.

Political trash.

[JAI///M3]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Yeah, no thanks.

Signed,

"Retrogrouch"

An EV with side pipes and a flame tune!!

[fcman]

My favorite part of EVs is collecting the tax rebates

[Tambohamilton]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Curious where on your link you are finding that number? Page #?

Page 9. From memory it's 120 energy out, 163 energy in. (29 lost in generation, 13.x lost in transmission). Do correct me if I'm wrong, or if you can find more reliable figures. I do hate the "zero emissions" EV greenwashing!

[c1pher]

I like Jeremy Clarkson's rant on the topic.

[CarsAndGuitars]

Originally Posted by fcman

My favorite part of EVs is collecting the tax rebates

I like watching EV owners pay recurring registration surcharges

[fcman]

Originally Posted by CarsAndGuitars

I like watching EV owners pay recurring registration surcharges

I think it's fair. Federal government gives me $7500 every 3 years, I give $200/yr to the state to use the roads. Considering I was paying $.475/gal in taxes before, I'm still coming out way ahead

[CarsAndGuitars]

Originally Posted by fcman

I think it's fair. Federal government gives me $7500 every 3 years, I give $200/yr to the state to use the roads.

Wait, they write you a check or is it a line item on your tax return that *hopefully* works to your benefit? And this is every time you start a new lease commitment every 3 years. That's a lot of throwaway rent

I will make a bold prediction that the availability of any credit will stop before the surcharges do.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by CarsAndGuitars

Wait, they write you a check or is it a line item on your tax return that *hopefully* works to your benefit? And this is every time you start a new lease commitment every 3 years. That's a lot of throwaway rent

I will make a bold prediction that the availability of any credit will stop before the surcharges do.

I already got my tax credit, no "hopefully" here.

And who's renting? I bought and 2 years later my car is still worth more than I paid (not even counting the credit) I'll sell it and maybe go get another free car next year.

If the money stops making sense, maybe I'll switch. For now though I will continue to stash that sweet government money

[CarsAndGuitars]

Originally Posted by fcman

I already got my tax credit, no "hopefully" here.

And who's renting? I bought and 2 years later my car is still worth more than I paid (not even counting the credit) I'll sell it and maybe go get another free car next year.

If the money stops making sense, maybe I'll switch. For now though I will continue to stash that sweet government money

OK so maybe you got that benefit in the short term, but it is not sustainable every 3 years. Rebates are to bring in early adopters. Don't kid yourself.

And I have retained excellent value in several cars that I have resold in the recent past too. The fact that your car is worth more used than new is just a symptom of our fucked up economy.

Careful .. buy an EV right before there is a battery breakthrough (we all know it will happen, but no one knows when) and your newly obsolete EV will be as desirable and valuable as a VCR.

[ZL9M2]

Originally Posted by fcman

I already got my tax credit, no "hopefully" here.

And who's renting? I bought and 2 years later my car is still worth more than I paid (not even counting the credit) I'll sell it and maybe go get another free car next year.

If the money stops making sense, maybe I'll switch. For now though I will continue to stash that sweet government money

"Government money". That's the essence of the issue with the EV cult. If there was no "government money" for tax rebates and building out your charging infrastructure for you the tune would change.

Buy whatever you want, but don't ask everyone else to subsidize the fantasy.

[P1]

Originally Posted by PhaceN52

From the article:
"and have superior handling compared to gas-powered cars."
Mandatory, without context.

Most internet "articles" these days are AI generated in order to drive traffic. Reading these only makes you dumber. Zero substance and zero value.

I also believe EV owners are so bored with their purchases they have nothing else to do but talk about their plain vanilla, dime-a-dozen, "the vehicular equivalent of tract housing" cars.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Yeah, no thanks.

Signed,

"Retrogrouch"

I know you're tongue-in-cheek, but, really, you're gonna bet your life that ICE is superior to EVs just cuz the latter's in its infancy (to the guy saying they've been around for 100 years lol), does he srsly believe that in the *practical* sense or more like he's just being pedantic? ICE tech has plateaued vs EV in its infancy and it's already losing, so never mind when the EV has been perfected. It's over.

Signed,
Retrogrouch Hater