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      09-29-2021, 04:43 AM   #67
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Yeah. I understand that it was a long time ago etc, but PCS is horrible stuff!
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Yeah. I understand that it was a long time ago etc, but PCS is horrible stuff!
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      09-29-2021, 08:22 AM   #69
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To be fair, PCS is a very broad specification. However it generally refers to the low strength/poor quality end of the 'mild' steel scale. A spec I have here for PCS is 220MPa yield, 400MPa ultimate strength. Nowadays ships are built from stuff that's about 325MPa yield and 550MPa ultimate. I don't have any data on the ductility of PCS, but modern ships use steel which will get to about 20% elongation at failure...I bet the PCS Titanic was built from was less than that!
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      09-29-2021, 08:31 AM   #70
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Regardless, an ice berg would remain the proximate cause of the sinking.
Not something we have need to worry over in the near future........................
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Not something we have need to worry over in the near future........................
The Costa Concordia hit reefs and sank which was recent.
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To be fair, PCS is a very broad specification. However it generally refers to the low strength/poor quality end of the 'mild' steel scale. A spec I have here for PCS is 220MPa yield, 400MPa ultimate strength. Nowadays ships are built from stuff that's about 325MPa yield and 550MPa ultimate. I don't have any data on the ductility of PCS, but modern ships use steel which will get to about 20% elongation at failure...I bet the PCS Titanic was built from was less than that!
For sure there would have been much less yield on the Titanic's plates.
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The Costa Concordia hit reefs and sank which was recent.
Reefs won't melt with global warming
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The Costa Concordia hit reefs and sank which was recent.
Costa hit solid rock. Titanic hit a iceberg. Makes you wonder how big it was, and why was nobody on watch if they knew there was ice?
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Costa hit solid rock. Titanic hit a iceberg. Makes you wonder how big it was, and why was nobody on watch if they knew there was ice?
I read the ''depth sonar'' was off when the Costa hit the rocks.
I imagine there was a watch in the mast 'nest' of Titanic, a combination of very cold air with warmer air above and a starry night fooled the watchers into not seing the iceberg before it was too late, which is why I was questioning why were there no fitted searchlights pointing from the front of the ship which was going at top speed all the time.

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Costa hit solid rock. Titanic hit a iceberg. Makes you wonder how big it was, and why was nobody on watch if they knew there was ice?
There were White Star employees in the crow’s nest on lookout; however, they could barely see anything at night due to lack of moonlight and no binoculars.
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There were White Star employees in the crow’s nest on lookout; however, they could barely see anything at night due to lack of moonlight and no binoculars.
No lights back then? I mean if you know there's ice, just don't look?? Or take a more southern route? The captain really messed up.
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No lights back then? I mean if you know there's ice, just don't look?? Or take a more southern route? The captain really messed up.
All the time the 'wrong' Captain was thinking to get to NYC asap because of the delays already incurred so taking a longer route was out of the question, in fact I would say he had some mental issues by not slowing the ship knowing the dangers already posted and of course a second in command would not overrule the idiot in those days.
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Wait... the Titanic was real? I thought it was just a movie!
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Wait... the Titanic was real? I thought it was just a movie!
It wasn't bad but the main plot with Rose and Jack was weighing it down a bit though understandable from Hollywood way of doing things, I think it t should have concentrated more on Smith and his immediate crews concerns with a gradual lead up to the collision.

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Reefs won't melt with global warming
May not melt, but will suffer one adverse effect or another....
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Reefs won't melt with global warming
They won't move either
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Reefs won't melt with global warming
Nope. They're just dying at an astronomical rate due to the increased water temperature.
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They won't move either
Truth!
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It wasn't bad but the main plot with Rose and Jack was weighing it down a bit though understandable from Hollywood way of doing things, I think it t should have concentrated more on Smith and his immediate crews concerns with a gradual lead up to the collision.
Well, it was a movie vs. a documentary...

Just saying.
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Well, it was a movie vs. a documentary...

Just saying.
The doc's more to the point tho
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The doc's more to the point tho
I think the importance of the movie in the end was it funded the undersea exploration of the wreck, which several documentaries were based upon.

Good discussion overall on a historically interesting subject.
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I think the importance of the movie in the end was it funded the undersea exploration of the wreck, which several documentaries were based upon.

Good discussion overall on a historically interesting subject.
Indeed the wreck lies 3.8 kilometres down and a good point that the film funded some of the exploration of it. There was even a movie made of Titanic being raised intact!
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