[NGT2]

Originally Posted by 2022M550i

Fantastic summary. This car may be perfect for us (height wise) as we get older and develop knee/back/ hip problems… I am already there, Joe-BMW33 is working his way there. The geriatric choice.

The car looks like crossoverish to me.

Next to the G30 it looks almost crossover size. Next to the new 7, it looks like a 5 series sedan. I’m not sure why everything has to get so much bigger.

I told the salesman “I don’t think I’m ready for it but I might bring my dad back to check it out.” Haha

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

I had the same impression on the crossover look. I'll fight through my aches and pains as long as I can before I buy a car solely on comfort. Not saying it doesn't have to be comfortable, but it has to look and perform like it adds inches to my penis when I get behind the wheel.

At that point, you could just drive an X5 M60 or X5M.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by NGT2

At that point, you could just drive an X5 M60 or X5M.

Nah, as much as my X5 is so much more comfortable than my M550, I just don't get the SUV thing unless you need to haul kids or wood.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

Nah, as much as my X5 is so much more comfortable than my M550, I just don't get the SUV thing unless you need to haul kids or wood.

Knees and back. People like my parents don’t shop sedans anymore, they look for small SUV’s because they can get in and out.

[Gautam]

Great write-up NGT2 .

I’ve said the same about the E60, it doesn’t quite fit in the 5 lineup and looks like the odd one out. The design language and even the shape of the F10 more closely resemble the E39. The G30 looks like a natural successor to the F10. Bangle took a risk with the E60, but then backtracked and went more conservative. BMW is in a phase where they’re experimenting and shaking things up…a phase that could be short lived as well.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Knees and back. People like my parents don’t shop sedans anymore, they look for small SUV’s because they can get in and out.

Yup, that's kind of what I am saying on digging my heels in and fighting and denying the need as long as I can to make my life more comfortable in return for giving up iconic sport sedans.

https://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=44

Luckily I can suspend my coolness and cheat over to the X5 for long trips.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Gautam

Great write-up NGT2 .

I’ve said the same about the E60, it doesn’t quite fit in the 5 lineup and looks like the odd one out. The design language and even the shape of the F10 more closely resemble the E39. The G30 looks like a natural successor to the F10. Bangle took a risk with the E60, but then backtracked and went more conservative. BMW is in a phase where they’re experimenting and shaking things up…a phase that could be short lived as well.

I think design will improve as they’re able to make batteries smaller. That’s driving a ton of the design.

Would help if Americans would get a smaller instead of fatter. Maybe they wouldn’t see an advantage in everything being bigger and bigger.

[AP]

Bigger cars are an issue here in the U.K. particularly in cities. The parking spaces were designed around cars from the 1950/60s and many cars just don’t fit in them now.
Garages as well .

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by AP

Bigger cars are an issue here in the U.K. particularly in cities. The parking spaces were designed around cars from the 1950/60s and many cars just don’t fit in them now.
Garages as well .

It also makes some roads difficult, even here in the US. Also, a lot of “two car” garages, even built 20-30 years ago, won’t fit two cars today. We just don’t need them to all be so big. I get the 7 is geared for people being driven around. A Suburban or X7 serves a purpose with its size. But a 5 series or E class or Camry doesn’t need to be the size of the old 7 or S classes.

[AP]

This ironically could force people to “downgrade” next time due to the successor being too large and too expensive.
Just look at how much more a g60 is compared to the outgoing g30

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by AP

This ironically could force people to “downgrade” next time due to the successor being too large and too expensive.
Just look at how much more a g60 is compared to the outgoing g30

If I can get the performance and driver assistance tech out of an M340/350 and the V8 is gone, I would likely elect to take the 3 over the 5 if it got me lower to the ground and more similar size to the G30. Frankly, I would be just as likely to go with an X3 M50 if I decided being off the ground a bit was okay.

The trunk of the G60 seemed smaller but I did t analyze them side by side. No clue what the numbers are.

[Chappers 71]

One thing we can be sure of is that the more ‘intelligent’ cars become the less ‘intelligent’ the organic behind the wheel is going to become.

[Gautam]

Originally Posted by AP

This ironically could force people to “downgrade” next time due to the successor being too large and too expensive.
Just look at how much more a g60 is compared to the outgoing g30

In the us, a maxed out g60 is a little cheaper than a maxed out g30 (even vs 2018), but with fewer features and a cheaper interior.

[BimmerGuyFL78]

I agree on all of this. Yes, the new G60 has newer tech but I don’t find it as attractive as my 2023 G30 540i. I too had seen what the new changes were in store for the G60 and in December 2022 I placed an order for my ideal everyday 540i. Skyscraper Gray with Cognac Sensatec interior. I opted for Sensatec as it will look better in 5 years vs what the leather would look like. I choose the Sport model as it comes with the standard passive suspension and it has a perfect blend of firm with a plush feeling when riding over road irregularities. It came with the 19” wheels and tires but I ordered a set of brand new OEM style 632 through a BMW parts department as well as a BMW approved Michelin Primacy Touring none runflat tires in order to obtain 45 profile tires vs the stardard 40 profile runflat tires, which in my opinion gives the ride a more refined quality bringing it closer to an older school 5-series E39 in terms of isolation and not having to cringe when driving on less than perfect road surfaces.

Also, 2023 was the last year for a true rear wheel drive inline-6, 5-series as the G60 has gained about 200-300 lbs and will come with xDrive if you want the B58 inline-6 motor.

The G30 will be seen as one of the last great 5-series from BMW that has kept its roots as close as possible to the traditional 5-series shape it was well known for.

Below are a few pics of my baby. ��

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by NGT2

If I can get the performance and driver assistance tech out of an M340/350 and the V8 is gone, I would likely elect to take the 3 over the 5 if it got me lower to the ground and more similar size to the G30. Frankly, I would be just as likely to go with an X3 M50 if I decided being off the ground a bit was okay.

The trunk of the G60 seemed smaller but I did t analyze them side by side. No clue what the numbers are.

As much as I love my G30, if I could get a G20 Alpina B3 to replace it, I'd pick that over the G60. I don't need a bigger car, but I want something sporty and comfortable at the same time. Unfortunately that's not one of the Alpinas available in the US.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

As much as I love my G30, if I could get a G20 Alpina B3 to replace it, I'd pick that over the G60. I don't need a bigger car, but I want something sporty and comfortable at the same time. Unfortunately that's not one of the Alpinas available in the US.

I hear you. I like the G20 a lot too. Is there an Alpina G20 in Europe? A G20 with a B58, Nappa/merino leather, more comfortable seat, and a leather dash would be a tempting car for sure.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I hear you. I like the G20 a lot too. Is there an Alpina G20 in Europe? A G20 with a B58, Nappa/merino leather, more comfortable seat, and a leather dash would be a tempting car for sure.

Yes, the Alpina B3 with the S58 based engine with different turbos and tuning more for comfort than the M3. You can order with standard 3 series interior up to Alpina’s special Lavalina leather. I’ve lobbied BMW and Alpina to bring it to the US to no avail. The demand would be to high for their production supply.
https://www.alpina-automobiles.com/e...b3/highlights/

[Boosted_8]

I'm not throwing shade at the Bavarians here it's the same story across the whole personal transport industry. However, There's no real 'upgrade path' for ICE sub M brand cars anymore to be honest. It's drop the big dollars on full fat M, or you have to go over to an electric fridge on wheels that will be worthless in 5-6 years due to technology advances. I feel like this works well for the manufacturers.

[adhrp]

The various points raised in this thread are one of the major reasons I jumped from 8 years of owning an F30 328i into a loaded G30 M550i, with a very serious goal of keeping it for as long as it doesn't begin to bankrupt me (all set with a 7Y/120K EW already)...I might even swallow big repair costs post-EW as long as they are few and far in between. It has everything I want in terms of comfort/interior/bells and whistles, a beautiful design, and more power than I will ever really need/want. I usually hold onto my cars for ~8-9 years, and I don't see myself getting bored/tired of this one for way longer than that average!

[Packfodder]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

Yup, that's kind of what I am saying on digging my heels in and fighting and denying the need as long as I can to make my life more comfortable in return for giving up iconic sport sedans.

https://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=44

Luckily I can suspend my coolness and cheat over to the X5 for long trips.

I find my m550 to be supremely comfortable. I get the easier step/out of a smaller SUV, but once in, super cush. Maybe because I have 19in rims/tires (though they are run flats).

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Packfodder

I find my m550 to be supremely comfortable. I get the easier step/out of a smaller SUV, but once in, super cush. Maybe because I have 19in rims/tires (though they are run flats).

It’s all about the entry/exit for guys like my dad.

My M550 has DHP and even with runflats, it’s one of the most comfortable vehicles I’ve ever had. Only one that I’d like to do a side by side with is my old 2003 GMC Yukon. That sucker was like a sofa on wheels.

The M550 is hands down a better ride than our X7 40i on 21” wheels.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by Packfodder

I find my m550 to be supremely comfortable. I get the easier step/out of a smaller SUV, but once in, super cush. Maybe because I have 19in rims/tires (though they are run flats).

It’s really comfortable, just not as comfortable as my X5. Drove it up to NH from MA today and back. It’s plenty comfortable, but it is a bitch on the hips and back to get in and out of.