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      12-07-2016, 03:51 PM   #67
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I don't know man I just went to a car show here in Texas and got to sit in C63 AMG, S6, M4, 550 (Current Gen) and I didn't know that Audi or BMW is "cut rate" luxury- vs a $ 250k Aston Martin well probably but for the 70-85k they are not "Cut rate" (The BMWs while functional is boring) But the Audi is masterful and as "luxury" goes the materials are second to none- the MERCEDES to me with its tack
ed on looking Android $ 30 pad tacked on screen looked like crap (The machined aluminum Burmester stereo speaker covers though were awesome). And seeing the car in person and compared to the new A4 (Which is VERY bland) the S6 is muscular in its own way and to me just looks fantastic in and out- and at 450 HP 420 lb. ft. getting 0-60 in 4.2 (.1 quicker than M2?) with 4 wheel drive is just the cherry on top.
Whoops, didn't mean to call the Audi cut-rate, I was just saying that saving $10-15k (which is a dubious number being thrown out right now) isn't really a solid standalone reason for comparing these cars.

I'll go back and sit in the seat after work today and see how the newer A6 stacks up! but all those stats you posted about the S6 look like they are beat by the upcoming M550i
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Whoops, didn't mean to call the Audi cut-rate, I was just saying that saving $10-15k (which is a dubious number being thrown out right now) isn't really a solid standalone reason for comparing these cars.

I'll go back and sit in the seat after work today and see how the newer A6 stacks up! but all those stats you posted about the S6 look like they are beat by the upcoming M550i
Maybe you are correct on the pricing but I have never seen a 550 x drive for under 80k? If you dont get the fancy ass lights on the S6 it is under 80k Both are very nice cars, I would just do the Audi if I was going to be buying a "big" car like this.
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Meh I don't get the E60 hate I'd have it over any other 5 series that all look like 5% enlarged copies of each other. Maybe when I'm double my age I'll like conservative designs more but at 23 I'd prefer something sexy over subtle.
It's one of those cars that's highly dependent on having the right options. 10 years down the line most of them have aged terribly. For all the criticism the E65 received, I felt it was one of the most attractive 7-series designs ever after the LCI. That pretty much corrected all complaints. Heck, it certainly has more presence than the vanilla F01 and G11.

The rest of Bangle's designs were pretty nice and still look great today.
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My gripe with Audis is that they have no "soul." Their designs are very "clinical" inside and out. Excellent build quality, high quality materials, great attention to detail, but its all very understated and lacking character. That translates to the driving experience as well. And call me a snob, but Audi has no history. Good luck finding anything special on Hemmings besides an ugly old Audi Quattro.

Now with BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche the number of historic vehicles is endless. They've dominated in motorsports as well whereas Audi has just had a nice run in Le Mans. Aside from that, these brands produce cars with a distinct look and feel that goes back generations and gives them character. For BMW, up until recently, they also had a characteristic way they drove that gave them so much personality. That "emotion" that goes alone with a car is what separates the other German brands from Audi for me.

It's the same reasoning why most enthusiasts prefer Ferrari over Lamborghini and McLaren. Sure, the latter two make vehicles that are just as competent, but which brand has the strongest pedigree and heritage?
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      12-08-2016, 12:34 PM   #72
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My gripe with Audis is that they have no "soul." Their designs are very "clinical" inside and out. Excellent build quality, high quality materials, great attention to detail, but its all very understated and lacking character. That translates to the driving experience as well. And call me a snob, but Audi has no history. Good luck finding anything special on Hemmings besides an ugly old Audi Quattro.

Now with BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche the number of historic vehicles is endless. They've dominated in motorsports as well whereas Audi has just had a nice run in Le Mans. Aside from that, these brands produce cars with a distinct look and feel that goes back generations and gives them character. For BMW, up until recently, they also had a characteristic way they drove that gave them so much personality. That "emotion" that goes alone with a car is what separates the other German brands from Audi for me.

It's the same reasoning why most enthusiasts prefer Ferrari over Lamborghini and McLaren. Sure, the latter two make vehicles that are just as competent, but which brand has the strongest pedigree and heritage?
In general I dont disagree with this statement but really modern BMWs are big, heavy (Not bloated- all those safety things are heavy though) and all have such overboosted steering as to make them laughable sometimes. The ultimate driving machine is a nice tag line but only a few still are (M240/M2)- I have a 435GC beautiful car but nowhere near the E46 and some models before that truly WERE "Ultimate Driving machines" -
And as far as Audi's being "soulless" thats kind of a media term and again is partly true- Press the gas on that 450 hp V8 in the S6 - look at that amazing Audi virtual cockpit dual full screen HMI, sit in that awesome comfy pleated seat while this rocket ship flys down the road- and you may find this one has a "soul"?
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      12-08-2016, 01:28 PM   #73
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Audi Virtual Cockpit is the most useless peace of equipment on the market.
If you have a great HUD (as in BMW), why would you ever look at the virtual cockpit?

What is wrong with BMW seats, they are not comfy? Sorry but they are way better than what you get in S6.
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Audi Virtual Cockpit is the most useless peace of equipment on the market.
If you have a great HUD (as in BMW), why would you ever look at the virtual cockpit?

What is wrong with BMW seats, they are not comfy? Sorry but they are way better than what you get in S6.
Completly aggree.
I can not really start with the Audi VC. The combination of BMW HUD, the multifunctional instrumentcluster and the Navigation Professional is for me the better and more transparent solution.
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Meh I don't get the E60 hate I'd have it over any other 5 series that all look like 5% enlarged copies of each other. Maybe when I'm double my age I'll like conservative designs more but at 23 I'd prefer something sexy over subtle.
I agree, the 2010 E60 550 Msport in black is one of the best looking and driving BMWs ever made. I still turn my head when I see one.
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Nice to see Pilot Super Sport's on the M550i!
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Audi Virtual Cockpit is the most useless peace of equipment on the market.
If you have a great HUD (as in BMW), why would you ever look at the virtual cockpit?

What is wrong with BMW seats, they are not comfy? Sorry but they are way better than what you get in S6.
I guess but I can tell you this that the BMW MMI interface while OK leaves a LOT to be desired and sometimes to me is actually not safe as you have to do way more scrolling, bumping and pushing just to play specific music than you should. There are so many steps that you can take out to make a decent system better. And the NAV is nowhere near as accurate or nice as Google maps or even Apple maps thats on our phones. And if they direct your right hand to the scroll wheel to maneuver everything why not a redundant dedicated volume button down there like Audi has? It only makes perfect sense. And have you driven an Audi with the Virtual cockpit for any length of time (I have for about 90 minutes only) I was impressed and the nav was very high res accurate and easy to read with turn by turn built in. My 435GC has heads up - I like it until I have my sunglasses on and the polarization takes away the HUD
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Sure looks great in that color with the Cerium Grey trim. And those wheels looks much better than those 20" M Performance wheels on the white car.
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Not feeling that plasticy looking trim around the front fascia air intakes..
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After watching tons of videos about the new m550, I'm now beginning to feel numb about this G30 car ... if you really in need of a perf sedan, nothing better than the ultimate bimmer
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After watching tons of videos about the new m550, I'm now being to feel numb about this G30 car ... if you really in need of a perf sedan, nothing better than the ultimate bimmer
M3 is a nice car if I only cared about hauling children in the back
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And now I see that the M550i has black exhaust tips while the other M-sports has chrome tips.
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