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      10-31-2013, 03:07 PM   #23
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I like the front. Rear looks too much like a Passat. Only a speculative render though...
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      10-31-2013, 03:10 PM   #24
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Hope the next m5 will have a carbon fiber roof and shed about 300lbs...
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      10-31-2013, 03:12 PM   #25
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More info from the AutoBild article:

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Die Werkstoffe, aus denen die Plattform gefertigt wird, zum Beispiel Aluminium, Kohlefaser oder leichte Stähle, können in unterschiedlichen Anteilen untereinander gemischt werden.

The materials from which the body is made​​, for example, aluminum, carbon fiber or light steel, may be mixed in various proportions with each other.
6 cylinder engines will live on:

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Der Sechszylinder lebt im kommenden 5er weiter – und zwar stärker denn je! Zugegeben, die neuen Vierzylinder graben dem Einstiegs-Sechszylinder das Wasser ab. Doch dafür macht der Sechszylinder dem V8 das Leben immer schwerer. Die neuen Reihensechser (B57/B58) kombinieren satte Mehrleistung und Top-Drehmoment mit einem durchschnittlichen Verbrauchsvorteil von zehn Prozent.

The six-cylinder lives on in the next 5er - and stronger than ever! Granted, the new four-cylinder replaced the entry-level six-cylinder. The stronger six-cylinder makes the V8's life more difficult. The new series of sixes (B57/B58) combine a major increase in power and top torque with an average consumption advantage of ten percent.

530i 3,0 Liter 333 PS
535i 3,0 Liter 375 PS
530d 3,0 Liter 286 PS
535d 3,0 Liter 333 PS
M550d 3,0 Liter 401 PS


Comment on the M5 by Georg Kacher (one of the most respected and informed journalists in Europe):

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Er ist (als M5) bis zu 180 Kilogramm leichter. Bis 14 Prozent sparsamer. Deutlich spritziger schon bei niedrigen Drehzahlen. Vorbereitet für aufladbaren Elektroantrieb und teilautonomes Fahren. Und wertiger. Dazu ein neues Design mit sportlichem Touch und besonders gediegenem Interieur. Keine Frage: Auch dieser 5er wird seinen Weg machen.

It is (as M5) up to 180 kg lighter. Up to 14 percent more fuel efficient. Significantly quicker even at lower revs. Prepared for rechargeable electric drive and semi-autonomous driving. And higher quality. A new design with a sporty touch and particularly elegant interior. No question, this 5 Series will also make its way.

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      10-31-2013, 03:19 PM   #26
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Hope the next m5 will have a carbon fiber roof and shed about 300lbs...
According to AutoBild (see my post above), the next gen 5-series will have carbon and other light weight components.

The M5 will be 180kg lighter, or 400lbs (396lbs)

All just rumours at this point in time though...
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      10-31-2013, 03:52 PM   #27
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It looks really good!
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      10-31-2013, 04:24 PM   #28
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Looks Audi-like
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      10-31-2013, 04:25 PM   #29
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My only hope is that the M5 will go back to core M weight principles, but with power being jacked up its unlikely that we will ever see another lightweight M5 again
Don't quit just yet. Remember, the next gen M3 is going to be more powerful than the E9x M3, with a target weight of the E46M M3.
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Nice renders. But...
Can we have an ELECTRIC version please!
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      10-31-2013, 05:14 PM   #32
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More info from the AutoBild article:
I don't think that Rolf Kacher is right, when he claims the new 530 to 535 as the new 6-cylinder B57/B58 models ... according to my informations in the future BMW lineup the .3x numbers would be the bigger 4-cylinders B47/B48 and the new 6-cylinder B57/B58 would get .4x numbers.

Greetings BMW M3 CRT

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Nice renders. But...
Can we have an ELECTRIC version please!
Has no one read the original article that the OP linked to?

There's a lot more info there than what has been posted here. Shared platform between 3-4-5-6 series etc.

Google translate helps if you don't read German

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BMW plant derzeit drei verschiedene Hybridvarianten, mit einer rein elektrischen Reichweite von 50 Kilometern. Und selbstverständlich wird Raum für moderne Assistenz- und Komfortsysteme geschaffen. Um diese immer mit ausreichend Strom zu versorgen, plant BMW erstmals ein zweites Bordnetz mit 48 Volt für die Nebenaggregate.

BMW is planning three different hybrid varieties, with a pure electric range of 50 kilometers. And of course, room for modern systems, assistance and comfort is created. To always provide them with sufficient power, BMW plans a second 48-volt electrical system for the auxiliary units for the first time.
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It would be great if they took a page out of their old playbook (or Caddy's new playbook, see cts) and bring back the idea of an athletic larger midsize car... but I guess that's what the 3er will be (is) and now the 2er will be what the 3 once was... 10 yr from now we will be bitching about how heavy and bloated the 2 series is!
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Wow beautiful. I love the rear slope line. Kind of reminds me of the current 6GC but less slope-y.

Not a fan of the lower portion of the front. Looks like it fits an SUV/SAV better. Otherwise, everything is good.

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What incredible extremes, a 3 pot oil sipper on one end and 600 hp at the other.
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No worries, by 2018 a significant number of us will be driving one or another flavor of Tesla, while others launch a 50km electric effective range dinosaurs...err...new cars..

As far as I can see, the era of the internal combustion is rapidly drawing to a close, and car makers will have to stop sniffing the gas fumes and seriously embrace the electric technology if they want to be relevant 10 years from now. 50 km effective range?! That's less than 35 miles. Chevy Volt had similar range back in 2010! I can think of another dominant market participant who did not adapt fast enough to changing market dynamics...of course, that is just one's opinion...
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According to AutoBild (see my post above), the next gen 5-series will have carbon and other light weight components.

The M5 will be 180kg lighter, or 400lbs (396lbs)

All just rumours at this point in time though...

Why would they be rumors?

2014 Cadillac CTS is almost 300lbs lighter than 2013 CTS. 2014 CTS-Sport is almost 400lbs lighter than 550. If Cadillac can shed weight with mix of alloy suspension components and aluminum, why not BMW? BMW should do better since they now have advanced carbon fiber composites as used in I series cars.

If BMW keeps building porky cars while everyone is going lighter, they will fail pure and simple. Either evolve or loose market share. Competitor offerings are much better now so the days of BMW being the only game in town are long gone.
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According to AutoBild (see my post above), the next gen 5-series will have carbon and other light weight components.

The M5 will be 180kg lighter, or 400lbs (396lbs)

All just rumours at this point in time though...

Why would they be rumors?

2014 Cadillac CTS is almost 300lbs lighter than 2013 CTS. 2014 CTS-Sport is almost 400lbs lighter than 550. If Cadillac can shed weight with mix of alloy suspension components and aluminum, why not BMW? BMW should do better since they now have advanced carbon fiber composites as used in I series cars.

If BMW keeps building porky cars while everyone is going lighter, they will fail pure and simple. Either evolve or loose market share. Competitor offerings are much better now so the days of BMW being the only game in town are long gone.
+1

The automotive world will have to do more with smarter materials for weight reduction and better fuel efficiency.

Lots of regulatory squeezes on top of enthusiast demands.

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Some more info - not 5 series related

They are also talking about the next gen X1 model (front wheel drive) and a X1M (all wheel drive standard) with 2L turbo and 320HP. Could this be the first hint towards a M2?

Der Allradantrieb ist Serie in Verbindung mit den stärksten Vierzylindern und im X1M, der mit seinem hoch aufgeladenen und 320 PS starken Zweiliter-Motor den Audi RS Q3 verblasen soll.
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Great work!! BMW should hire AutoBild to design their new cars.
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There can be absolutely no question that the M5 needs to shed some pounds. It is way too heavy. Too heavy for the track now days.

I think they need to aim for a 250kg reduction to get it back to around 1600kg.
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