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And they have been making their own ground up EV's for twice as long as Tesla. It's not like they can't, won't, or aren't ready to. They simply aren't going all-in on them. They have a reason, and have explained that reason. Interestingly, they did plan to be ahead of this curve, and changed their mind. It's not that they have no vision, it's that their vision changed. Look at this 5 year old article from Toyota itself : Electrification across the entire Toyota and Lexus line-up By around 2030, Toyota aims to have sales of more than 5.5 million electrified vehicles, including more than 1 million zero-emission vehicles (BEVs, FCEVs). Additionally, by around 2025, every model in the Toyota and Lexus line-up around the world will be available either as a dedicated electrified model or have an electrified option. This will be achieved by increasing the number of dedicated HEV, PHEV, BEV, and FCEV models and by generalizing the availability of HEV, PHEV and/or BEV options to all its models. As a result, the number of models developed without an electrified version will be zero. https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/co.../20353243.html It's not for a lack of institutional ability to think the problem through or plan ahead. It's reaction market forces and economic reality. A calculated outcome. |
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This isn't the future, this is today: For at least 10 days in a row beginning in late August, the Alert asked Californians to voluntarily reduce their energy consumption, even requesting that electric vehicle owners limit charging to protect the state’s electric grid from power outages. It was not the first time, nor will it be the last. MIDTERMS 2022: TRACKING THE ISSUES THAT MATTER TO VOTERS AHEAD OF ELECTION DAY Largely to blame is California’s heavy reliance on intermittent wind and solar power, coupled with a lack of dispatchable sources of electricity to use when the sun sets or the wind does not blow. Last year, in its rush to transition from coal and natural gas, the Golden State made itself twice as dependent upon wind and solar as the rest of the country. States should view California as a lesson in what can happen if the transition to renewable power is too fast and goes too far. If not, grid reliability will be compromised, leaving consumers to anticipate Flex Alerts as the new normal. Impartial grid operators and regulators have warned for years that the pace of the grid transition from coal and other traditional fuels to wind and solar is too rapid. In its 2021 Long-Term Reliability Assessment, the North American Electric Reliability Corporation warned that large sections of the country might face electricity shortfalls for the next 10 years. The fault lies, in part, to the retirement of generating capacity that can run almost continuously and provide essential reliability services that wind and solar cannot. To make matters worse, NERC’s warning did not consider the massive number of coal power plants expected to retire by the end of the decade. In fact, our analysis found that number to be almost four times greater than what NERC reported. In addition, new Environmental Protection Agency regulations are likely to increase coal retirements even more. While the retirement of conventional resources might be inevitable, we must allow time for retiring power plants to be replaced with equally dependable electricity sources. Otherwise, the U.S. will have a less reliable and resilient grid. As NERC CEO Jim Robb has said about electricity, “It’s seven percent of the economy, but it’s the first seven percent because without it, nothing else works.” Some point to the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) as the answer to delivering the renewable technology and infrastructure necessary to complete the grid transition. But while the IRA provides billions of dollars to incentivize the adoption of wind and solar, history shows that the obstacle of time is not easily overcome. For example, the U.S. currently has more than 200,000 miles of transmission lines, but research from Princeton University concludes we will need 60% more by 2030 — and possibly even as much as 200% more — to achieve President Biden’s goal of net-zero emissions by 2050. Yet over the last decade, we have added only 1,800 miles of new transmission lines each year. Permitting is part of the problem with federal authorization of large transmission projects because in many cases it takes more than a decade for approval. Yes, the grid is transitioning, but the integrity of the electric system requires a diverse energy mix. Coal helps provide the reliable and resilient power necessary to meet consumer demand during the transition to zero-emissions generation. But if we continue the headlong pace to prematurely abandon thermal resources like coal, then California’s Flex Alerts will be our nation’s future. Michelle Bloodworth is president and CEO of America’s Power, a partnership of industries involved in producing electricity from coal. Good luck charging these EV's, we can barely keep the lights on as it is. If only somebody spoke up about these risks... |
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There are already bidirectional EV chargers on the market. As they increase in popularity you'll have the ability to pull power from the dormant EV to use to power homes during outages or storms as well as return power to the grid to deal with sudden demand spikes. https://wallbox.com/en_us/quasar2-dc-charger https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/28/ar...e-home-market/ |
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You are leaning on un-invented solutions to problems we already have, and gleefully jumping in face first anyway. Telling anyone who dissents that they are backwards thinking etc? There is nothing backwards about the problems we already have, and until the solutions are market ready, deployed, and scaled appropriately, it's just a dream. Your solutions are coming, but your problems are already here, and no one knows when the solutions arrive, but lets add to the load and let it be the power grid guys problem. *disclaimer, I work in the energy industry, specifically the national grid. I have a bias, and an insiders view. It's getting worse faster than you think. Even the liberal Pro-EV media outlets are starting to publish that truth. |
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went to test a Kia EV6 AWD. it is a more relaxing GT car to drive than my 2021 M340i Touring in more ways than 10. there are two or 3 things that are better in the M340i but less than the better points in the EV6.
i have no idea how/why. now i want one. question is to keep the M340i or have both. most likely keep M340i. also have a 300hp Subaru ICE. i don't care about the planet. i decatted my Toyota van and ran it like that for 10 years until it died. i also don't like the govt. but unfortunately i think i like EVs! |
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The "challenges" of EVs are all talking about when most people are driving EVs. We're obviously able to support the EVs that are on the road now... As they're on the road now and the world hasn't imploded... But what I think is at play for many people who are anti-EV is there is a worry that the market might love them enough and the current hurdles may evaporate fast enough that the market voluntarily moves away from ICE before 2035. We'll see what the market does on that front. I see an OEM like BMW selling ICE cars up until 2035. They may force you up SKU though. Just like how there are still cars available for those who are fine paying the premium for having a "gas guzzler"... |
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Ah, I missed this thread and all the entertainment of passionate debate. It's like Coke vs Pepsi, Oil Change at 5k vs 10k, Red vs Blue, Global Warming vs Evolution, ….
But I personally love breaking balls of EV earth savers. I'm going to be driving my V8's still in 20 years with blue smoke spewing a cloud from my dual quad exhaust and it's going to sound better than B&W as I pass all the golf carts with iPads, formerly know as automobiles.
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