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      01-28-2020, 10:28 AM   #1
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Check inner tire wear!

I had one of my Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric run flats 245/35/20 (front) on my m550 delaminate along the inside edge. At first, I couldn't figure out how that would happen- There's a slash about 6"-8" long and figured maybe it was some very motivated vandalism. A quick forum search and I see this has been a known problem for years across a few different tire brands, sizes and make of car they're fitted on.

Just wanted to put out a reminder to those of you running Goodyear run flats to carefully check that inside edge! It's hard to see, but you can definitely feel a scalloped edge where the tread meets the sidewall, and this will eventually lead to a delamination/blowout.

I'm replacing the run flats with a staggered set of Michelin pilot super sports, and hopefully those will be better all around.
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      01-28-2020, 11:36 AM   #2
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Was this on the front or the rear? And unless you hate runflats for some reason, Michelin makes great high performance runflats called Pilot Sport A/S 3+, although not sure they are available in your exact size. I will be putting a set on my Corvette Z06 this spring and I will be searching for some for my Goodyears when they wear out.--Bob
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      01-28-2020, 12:29 PM   #3
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wow, same question, is that front or rear, I'm running on 18 in (smallest possible) hopefully I won't be scrubbing anything...
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Not uncommon for that POS tire. Do yourself a favor and remove all of them from your car and replace with Michelin Pilot Sport 3ZP.
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      01-28-2020, 02:17 PM   #5
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How many miles?

Sorry to see that
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Do yourself a favor and remove all of them from your car and replace with Michelin Pilot Sport 3ZP.
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      01-29-2020, 06:05 AM   #7
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I had one of my Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric run flats 245/35/20 (front) on my m550 delaminate along the inside edge.
Yep, same thing happened to me a few months ago! Driver side or passenger side? - mine was passenger. And, it was also on the inside like yours. For the other poster - 245s are on the front. The rear tires are 275. The thing that freaked me out was the message from on the iDrive display. Normally, with something like a nail, it says something like "Low tire pressure, drive carefully blah blah blah." This one came up red and said "Tire is flat. Stop now!"

Fortunately my wife was behind me when it happened. I pulled off into a parking lot to check it out. Even being runflat, it didn't sound/feel right, so I wasn't going to limp home and risk damaging the wheel. Hopped in my wife's car, ran home to get my jack and "winter" wheel, then went back and swapped the wheel out to get me home.

I do have to say these Goodyears have been the worst luck for (and with this incident, worst) tires I've owned. I'd picked up 2-3 nails over the past 2 years, and then this. Now, I know nails I can't completely fault with the tire...but this is just makes it look like a crap tire. The "downside" is that I had a spare set of the Goodyears that I put on - so cost was minimal, but I'm stuck with the Goodyears for a bit longer. However, my plans are to replace the whole set with Michelins at the next incident.
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The section of shoulder where delamination hasn't taken place, is indicating tires have been run with low pressures for a good few miles. The type of failure is not peculiar to the Goodyear RFTs.
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The section of shoulder where delamination hasn't taken place, is indicating tires have been run with low pressures for a good few miles. The type of failure is not peculiar to the Goodyear RFTs.
I can't speak to OP, but the tire that delaminated on me had not been run with low pressure.
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I can't speak to OP, but the tire that delaminated on me had not been run with low pressure.
Depends what we call normal. RFTs can benefit from running above the placard/plate figures. All depends on use and do the tires run at the full working pressure in use. Setting pressure is only part of getting it correct.

My door placard recommends F 2.1/R 2.5 bar for my car, in normal use. Far too low to prevent irregular wear in my use. I run F 2.4/R 2.65 bar, and get even wear rates.

Same on my last BMW, recommended front pressure was far too low to prevent poor shoulder wear. Rear needed a minimum of 0.15 bar (2 - 3psi) increase on setting pressure, to help the inner wear, with the camber and toe we have on the geometry.
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The affected tire was front passenger. I've heard of this same thing happening on the rears as well.

I've been wanting to swap out these Goodyear run flats for about as long as I've had the car. I've had plenty of problems with them and have lost count of how many I've replaced since I took delivery October 2017.

I'm looking forward to see if there's merit to the hype around switching to the non-run flat Michelin pss. I put a lot of miles on this car (creeping up on 40k) and I still love it as much as the day I got it- aside from the tires, it's been pretty much rock solid and trouble free.
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The section of shoulder where delamination hasn't taken place, is indicating tires have been run with low pressures for a good few miles. The type of failure is not peculiar to the Goodyear RFTs.
I'm always careful to keep pressure in line with iDrive recommendations, inflated cold. In prior threads I found discussing this issue, BMW owners have said that both Goodyear and BMW have absolved themselves from any responsibility, but the general consensus seemed that this kind of wear has to do with "suspension settings". I find that a bit odd, as properly adjusted suspension, alignment, and tire pressure should prevent this kind of wear.

It was kind of nuts- I had been driving a lot during the day then parked at my office for a few hrs. When I was leaving for home I had the low pressure warning, so went to inspect and couldn't see anything wrong anywhere on the tire. I drove carefully to add air at a gas station a few hundred feet down the road, which I'm sure chaffed up the tire. Then, I inflated to spec, and it seemed to be holding air (I thought maybe someone had just let air out of my tire or something?!) but on the way home (about 15 miles) it lost about 3psi, so I knew it was leaking. I didn't check that inside edge until I got home.
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The section of shoulder where delamination hasn't taken place, is indicating tires have been run with low pressures for a good few miles. The type of failure is not peculiar to the Goodyear RFTs.
Agree in general, but this Goodyear F1 is an engineering disaster. The worst sidewall structure and failures for no good reason. Goodyear should either redesign, discontinue or recall this POS.
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Here's a crazy thing... I went and test drove a new 2020 Porsche 911 the other day. Guess what the factory tires were??? Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Runflats!?!? No shit - Couldn't believe my eyes.
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Here's a crazy thing... I went and test drove a new 2020 Porsche 911 the other day. Guess what the factory tires were??? Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Runflats!?!?
I'm surprised the US market views the Goodyear Eagle F1 so badly. It is a tyre of choice for many performance vehicles over here in the UK. Rated as one of the best run-flat tires as well.
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Depends what we call normal. RFTs can benefit from running above the placard/plate figures. All depends on use and do the tires run at the full working pressure in use. Setting pressure is only part of getting it correct.

My door placard recommends F 2.1/R 2.5 bar for my car, in normal use. Far too low to prevent irregular wear in my use. I run F 2.4/R 2.65 bar, and get even wear rates.

Same on my last BMW, recommended front pressure was far too low to prevent poor shoulder wear. Rear needed a minimum of 0.15 bar (2 - 3psi) increase on setting pressure, to help the inner wear, with the camber and toe we have on the geometry.

interesting I have Goodyear all season runflat as well (245/45 R18 XL 100H, i.e. whatever the basic they ship with the sports line), my recommend was 32psi front/38psi back, so 2.21/2.62bar, i.e. already higher than what was recommend for you guys already, wonder why...
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I'm surprised the US market views the Goodyear Eagle F1 so badly. It is a tyre of choice for many performance vehicles over here in the UK. Rated as one of the best run-flat tires as well.
Rated as one of the best compared to what? Yes it's better than the Dunlop Sport Maxx GT which is another winner (POS) made by Goodyear.

I had 2 Eagle F1 Assy3 sidewalls fail for no known reason on my 2017 G30, both within the first 5K miles. I decided to take them off and put on Pirelli PZero RFT. The Pirelli have been stellar by comparison. Still on the car 2 years later and no problems.

Luckily my 2019 came with Michelin PS 3ZP and those are even better. Quieter, better ride, etc.

My dealer steers customers away from the Eagle F1 Assy 3 when people need tires. They tell me they've had lots of complaints about that tire. Mostly sidewall related failures.

I've heard OEMs vendor approve a few tires for most models (except specialty models such as the M cars) to keep the flow of tires to the factory so production isn't held up. My guess is Goodyear gives best pricing and delivery so they're used by OEMs.
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I'm surprised the US market views the Goodyear Eagle F1 so badly. It is a tyre of choice for many performance vehicles over here in the UK. Rated as one of the best run-flat tires as well.
I actually like the tires, when they are functional as tires... But I've had to replace 4 tires and 1 wheel in 20 months. They just have severe sidewall issues. I would have switched to Michelin by now, but I have tire & wheel insurance and keep getting no-cost replacement tires and wheel.
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I actually like the tires, when they are functional as tires... But I've had to replace 4 tires and 1 wheel in 20 months. They just have severe sidewall issues. I would have switched to Michelin by now, but I have tire & wheel insurance and keep getting no-cost replacement tires and wheel.
I don't read of all these tire failures in the UK. Yes we have failures, (all makes) but it does seem the US market reports far more problems.

Out of interest, where are your Goodyear tires manufactured?
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I've put a few hundred miles on my new set of Michelin super sports and it's night and day compared to the Goodyear set.

The ride is much quieter and smoother and they don't lose traction as easily as the Goodyear runflats.

I'd say they Goodyear eagle f1 runflat is a mediocre tire at best. The serious reliability issues have put them on my blacklist- never again!
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I actually like the tires, when they are functional as tires... But I've had to replace 4 tires and 1 wheel in 20 months. They just have severe sidewall issues. I would have switched to Michelin by now, but I have tire & wheel insurance and keep getting no-cost replacement tires and wheel.
I don't read of all these tire failures in the UK. Yes we have failures, (all makes) but it does seem the US market reports far more problems.

Out of interest, where are your Goodyear tires manufactured?
Manufacturing location is dependent on tire size. For instance the sizes for G30 19" and 20" staggered are made in Germany, both front and rear.

Some other sizes are made in USA. Maybe those are better, but I doubt it. I've read reviews from owners of non BMWs who also severely dislike this tire, some also due to casing failures. I'm pretty sure it's a design issue.
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