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      11-13-2014, 04:11 PM   #1
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Carbon Ceramic Brakes. Would you?

Assuming it's an option....Would you check the box for CCB's on the M2?
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Nope... Not at the cost of them.

My aim with this car is keep the options to a minimum.
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At $8,150 USD like they are for the M4? Very unlikely. For people who track their cars, it's also too early to tell how they are holding up on the M4 to serious track use. If I get the M2, it will be for 90% street use, but the upfront and replacement costs are too high for me.
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^For $1000 maybe. For the price they go for, 0 chance. The new BMW M brakes are really really damn good
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Nope. Steel works great and doesn't cost a used Honda to replace rotors.
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Contrary to popular opinion thus far, fuck yes I would. A factory developed ceramic kit over any BBK all day. But I guess I'm also the only one planning to strip the car completely for track use.
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Contrary to popular opinion thus far, fuck yes I would. A factory developed ceramic kit over any BBK all day. But I guess I'm also the only one planning to strip the car completely for track use.
You think they're that good?
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Contrary to popular opinion thus far, fuck yes I would. A factory developed ceramic kit over any BBK all day. But I guess I'm also the only one planning to strip the car completely for track use.
Usually for serious track use, people go with conventional iron brakes. Note what the Gt3 crowd does. That's why I said that looking into feedback from the M4 crowd is a good idea since these are relatively new to BMW. It's an issue of durability and frequent replacement cost.

For mild track use and street only use, the ceramics make more sense. But I'm happy to read feedback that suggests otherwise.
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I have read places where replacement ceramic rotors can cost up to $5k EACH.

$20 grand for a brake job? No thanks.

I have also read that the ceramic rotors can be damaged pretty easily by gravel/sand that might get in there... If you got money to burn and track habit, they are probably fantastic. But I can think of better things to spend $20k on.
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Assuming it's an option....Would you check the box for CCB's on the M2?
Absolutely yes
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“This feature means that the wear resistance of Carbon Ceramic Material guarantees an approximate disc life of 150,000 km (93,000 miles) for road use and 2,000 km (2,400 miles) for extreme track use (e.g. Ferrari Challenge),”

Source: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ic-brakes.html

"The only real complaints with the ceramic disc have come from weekend racers who experienced cracked discs due to extreme abuse. Porsche’s advice is to check for cracks before they head out to the track. With the replacement costs of four discs and pads reaching more than $20,000, many are switching to cast iron rotors and semi-metallic pads."

Source: http://www.tirereview.com/carbon-cer...igh-price-tag/

I won't track my M2 and it will long gone before I get near the time to replace the rotors at 150k kms.

Pads are about 70% more than standard but rotors are significantly more. If you track hard then with a shelf life of 5k kms (2.4k miles), financially, the average joe would be better with iron based rotors.
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Contrary to popular opinion thus far, fuck yes I would. A factory developed ceramic kit over any BBK all day. But I guess I'm also the only one planning to strip the car completely for track use.
Usually for serious track use, people go with conventional iron brakes. Note what the Gt3 crowd does. That's why I said that looking into feedback from the M4 crowd is a good idea since these are relatively new to BMW. It's an issue of durability and frequent replacement cost.

For mild track use and street only use, the ceramics make more sense. But I'm happy to read feedback that suggests otherwise.
Correct about the popularity of the steels with the Porsche and Ferrari crowd. This has more to do with consumable and replacement cost rather than outright performance. I'm nominating myself to try the Carbons for this use, If BMW decides to give us this option.
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Not worth close to $8,000 (US) maybe for 25% of that I would consider it, but even then it would have to be on a car that was sitting on the showroom floor - no way I would order it for a car that was a DD
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Nope.
I'll be looking to the M2 to perform DD duties with the occasional track day. For my purposes, I wouldn't bother even if they were $1000.
Granted I'm no hardcore track guy, but I still think the stock brakes on my 2012 MSport 135 are great. 60-0 in 108 ft with smooth and steady grip the whole time? Damn fine stock brakes. The M brakes will be that much better and the ceramic brakes are ridiculous money for extremely marginal performance increase. It goes way beyond the point of diminishing returns.

Maybe for you guys who have unlimited money to throw at disposable toy accessories, they're fine, but most of us everyday driving enthusiasts will opt out.
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Nope.
I'll be looking to the M2 to perform DD duties with the occasional track day. For my purposes, I wouldn't bother even if they were $1000.
Granted I'm no hardcore track guy, but I still think the stock brakes on my 2012 MSport 135 are great. 60-0 in 108 ft with smooth and steady grip the whole time? Damn fine stock brakes. The M brakes will be that much better and the ceramic brakes are ridiculous money for extremely marginal performance increase. It goes way beyond the point of diminishing returns.

Maybe for you guys who have unlimited money to throw at disposable toy accessories, they're fine, but most of us everyday driving enthusiasts will opt out.
Trust me, if you think those brakes were good, you'd be surprised by the new generation brakes. Yea, they are good for a few stops here and there, but they don't have the durability (stock). Not to mention the new brakes have such better pedal feel to me, to do the point where I'm now looking to mod the E92 brakes in anyway possible to try to improve it. And it's more of a daily driver with a few occasional mountain runs.

The brakes from the M3/4 on an M2 is more than adequate for most people. If anything, it's down right excellent.
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It would be nice to have the CC's but not really economically viable. Of course the low brake dust is a major bonus. My father had them on he Porsche 997 and they were amazing.
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In the comparison M4 vs. RC F, the M4 was 3/10 faster thanks to CCB.

M2 rival, the RS3 will get CCB, so why should not the M2 get that? By that reasoning who needs CCB in their Porsche or Ferrari if those are street cars and most don't see the track, if if they do are anyway not pushed enough due to low skill level of driver?
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In the comparison M4 vs. RC F, the M4 was 3/10 faster thanks to CCB.

M2 rival, the RS3 will get CCB, so why should not the M2 get that? By that reasoning who needs CCB in their Porsche or Ferrari if those are street cars and most don't see the track, if if they do are anyway not pushed enough due to low skill level of driver?
Simple, there are a lot of poseurs out there. How many Ferrari owners actually take their cars out to the track week in and week out? There's a huge bling factor when it comes to these CCB's.

P.S. If you are talking about the Motortrend review of them both, I do not remember them saying that the brakes were the reason the car was faster
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Ceramic are the best and there only getting better.

I don't think I'd get an M3 ( or M2 if available) without ceramic.
BMW goes as far as recommending a tire/wheel jack when removing wheels on cars with ceramic discs due to hitting the barrel of the wheel can chip ceramic discs.

If I were a poseur with HRE or Nutek wheels definitely would want ceramic disc.

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