[Inline_Six]

Hey y'all, although some of you may know this, there seems to be enough confusion out there that I thought I'd post about this, even though I'm no brake expert. Dealers, forum members, and potential buyers, all seem confused by the difference and think they both mean the same thing. NO !!! Some people just call them both "M brakes". NO !!!

Differences:
Cost: First off, M Performance brakes cost a hell of a lot more than M Sport brakes.

Color: Not that the color is a big deal, but it points out that these 2 brakes are totally different. M Sport comes in blue, while M Performance comes in red, yellow, or orange.

What they are: M Performance brakes are actually high performance Brembo brakes, while M Sport brakes are just a small step up from the standard BMW brakes (certainly not Brembos). While standard brakes have floating calipers, the M Sport brakes have fixed calipers (4 piston front, 2 piston rear).

The M235i comes with M Sport brakes, NOT with M Performance brakes. If you wanna add the M Performance brakes as an option, it's about $2300.

Just wanted to point this out, to those who don't yet know the difference.

Those who know more about brakes: please feel free to correct me or add to what I said.

[ska///235i]

Msport brakes are brembo...this topic has been beaten to death

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by InlineSixTwinScroll

Hey y'all, although some of you may know this, there seems to be enough confusion out there that I thought I'd post about this, even though I'm no brake expert. Dealers, forum members, and potential buyers, all seem confused by the difference and think they both mean the same thing. NO !!! Some people just call them both "M brakes". NO !!!

Differences:
Cost: First off, M Performance brakes cost a hell of a lot more than M Sport brakes.

Color: Not that the color is a big deal, but it points out that these 2 brakes are totally different. M Sport comes in blue, while M Performance comes in red, yellow, or orange.

What they are: M Performance brakes are actually high performance Brembo brakes, while M Sport brakes are just a small step up from the standard BMW brakes (certainly not Brembos). While standard brakes have floating calipers, the M Sport brakes have fixed calipers (4 piston front, 2 piston rear).

The M235i comes with M Sport brakes, NOT with M Performance brakes. If you wanna add the M Performance brakes as an option, it's about $2300.

Just wanted to point this out, to those who don't yet know the difference.

Those who know more about brakes: please feel free to correct me or add to what I said.

M sport are almost the same as the M perf brakes...

difference is M perf come with 370mm dimpled/slotted rotors while the M sport are 340mm flat rotors....

both are 4 pistion brembo front and 2 piston rear

Only benefit of the M perf is probably better heat dissipation, but M sport are almost as good hence why nobody in their right mind buys the M perf brakes if you already have the stock M sport ones on the M235 as you have to pay $2300 for about 90% same parts

[Inline_Six]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

M sport are almost the same as the M perf brakes...

difference is M perf come with 370mm dimpled/slotted rotors while the M sport are 340mm flat rotors....

both are 4 pistion brembo front and 2 piston rear

Only benefit of the M perf is probably better heat dissipation, but M sport are almost as good hence why nobody in their right mind buys the M perf brakes if you already have the stock M sport ones on the M235 as you have to pay $2300 for about 90% same parts

Thanks, I just also found out that both brake systems have exactly the same size rotors, despite the flat vs dimpled.

No point paying $2300 for that ! Thanks !

[zipphreak]

I would enjoy changing my caliper color to Red to complement the Black Sapphire exterior paint. But not for $2300 I have noticed there is a little bit of take-up slack on the top portion of the brake pedal travel before you get a good firm feel.

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by InlineSixTwinScroll

Thanks, I just also found out that both brake systems have exactly the same size rotors, despite the flat vs dimpled.

Correct for rear only, 345mm for stock and mpbank
Front mpbbk are larger than stock 370mm v 340mm

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by InlineSixTwinScroll

Thanks, I just also found out that both brake systems have exactly the same size rotors, despite the flat vs dimpled.

No point paying $2300 for that ! Thanks !

actually they don't.... front on the MPBK is 370 and stock is 340

there is though an optional 340mm dimpled rotors that you can put in the stock sport brakes

[Inline_Six]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

actually they don't.... front on the MPBK is 370 and stock is 340

there is though an optional 340mm dimpled rotors that you can put in the stock sport brakes

I was comparing M Sport and M Performance, not stock and M Performance.

See here: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/t-br...fferences.aspx

[ska///235i]

Thats what pika is saying, he's spot on as he said stock as stock msport on m235

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by InlineSixTwinScroll

I was comparing M Sport and M Performance, not stock and M Performance.

See here: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/t-br...fferences.aspx

the stock brakes on the M235 are the M sport....

what you posted is for the 3-series F30

[Inline_Six]

You guys are right. I didn't notice that on the page I linked to.

Anyway, I think the important points have been made - the M Performance brakes are NOT worth the $2300, for most people on this Earth, including me.

Thanks everyone !

[M-terkait]

my Msport brakes are 370mm too so is the mperf brakes i swapped them and both were same size.

[Bee Pee]

yes for certain F30 models maybe like yr F30 335i but this thread is about F2x models !!!

Trust me mate the F2x m sport only come with 340mm dia front rotors.

I'd love to buy a set of used blue 335i m sport calipers so as I could upgrade to MPPK spec without spending $2k++

[2tormTrooper]

This might be a stupid question but I’m just curious as an owner of a 228i I have a set of M performance front brakes on hand. Is it a direct swap from the stock brakes and is there a required offset needed for this to work?

[CarbonLion]

Originally Posted by 2tormTrooper

This might be a stupid question but I’m just curious as an owner of a 228i I have a set of M performance front brakes on hand. Is it a direct swap from the stock brakes and is there a required offset needed for this to work?

I'm assuming you have M-Sport Brakes from the Track Handling Package (Blue 4 pots in front, 2 in rear), as you imply making no changes to your rear brakes. The M-Performance calipers are plug and play (with ECU coding) and use the same size pads, but require larger 370mm front rotors vs 340mm included with the blue M-Sports. AFAIK the dimensions of the rear calipers are the same between ther 2 kits, as they use the same size rotors + pads.

I went from std. 1 piston sliding calipers on my 228i to the M-Perf brakes, drop me a line if you have questions as I DIY'd the upgrade.

As for wheel fitment, all 18" OEM wheels for the F22 chassis should work with this upgrade. FWIW I'm running 18x8.5 +35 Apex FL-5s and there is plenty of clearance to the spokes and barrel of the wheel.