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      05-25-2016, 05:42 AM   #1
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Mission Performance ECU Tune w/ M Boot

https://missiontuning.com/bmw-f30-n2...n-reflash.html

I keep coming really close to ordering JB4 but i can't help but think a real ECU flash is the way to go for reliability reasons as long as the tuner knows what they are doing. I have a N26 so will have to spend a little extra on the ER downpipe which makes the downpipe + JB4 about $1150.

Has anyone used Mission or should i go with Enzo if they offer N26 tunes? https://enzoperformance.com/product/...u-calibration/
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GSR is the way to go
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      05-25-2016, 07:45 AM   #3
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I had nothing but issues when trying to get in touch with GSR back when the tunes came out. Then they had the Automatic Trans issues with torque. If you could get in touch with Bobby, things "seemed" to get resolved.

I'm so very happy I went with EnzoPerformance
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      05-25-2016, 08:08 AM   #4
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I had nothing but issues when trying to get in touch with GSR back when the tunes came out. Then they had the Automatic Trans issues with torque. If you could get in touch with Bobby, things "seemed" to get resolved.

I'm so very happy I went with
By automatic transmission issues do you mean hitting the torque limit? Which is designed and set by bmw. Just curious

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Mission has a deal going for the East coast guys...but I haven't seen a 2.0L tuned members car pop up yet but I'm sure that'll change shortly...

Enzo has a bunch of cars and its supporters.

GSR has it's share of cars. I've never had much trouble getting a hold of Matt whatsoever though.

None of these companies can satisfy 100% of the customers...it's impossible for that to happen in any industry I believe.
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It looks like Dimsport has come up with a way of doing subsequent tune adjustments through OBD2.

http://www.dimsport.it/en/race/new-trasdata/

To me that is the big selling point of MP's MBoot, especially since I'm going to go to a Stage 2 turbo setup.

Will be interesting to see which of the other tuners pick this tech up.

I'd probably go with MP, if they were local, but I'm done with sending my ECU.
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Stubok, isn't Eurocharged in Texas? Thought I read on their site they have a facility there...
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By automatic transmission issues do you mean hitting the torque limit? Which is designed and set by bmw. Just curious
I don't believe so, especially since BMW has a flash to correct this.
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I don't believe so, especially since BMW has a flash to correct this.
We must be talking about two different things then
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We must be talking about two different things then
I don't think so. The torque limit I know of is around 350ftlbs and GSR initially had some serious issues with this. Enzo didn't push mine that hard, but I don't remember what it was.

Sport mode works fine, again this only happens in comfort mode, and then most often when using manual.
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JoeyF228 they all good and they all have their pros/cons

I saw another thread of you mentioning piggyback tunes? Any reason why you havent tried one yet? You can prob buy a RaceChip from someone here for under $500 or a new one $600 shipped to you.

Again, it all depends what you want out of your car, the routes may change, are you leasing or financing ? first car or have a 2nd car? are you a Do It Yourself type of person or prefer dealer doing everything for u ? etc etc

MissionPerformance as Stubok mentioned has been doing some great stuff from 550, to old DME F10 535 Bmw doubles to taking ocN55 M235 FBO to whole other level never seen before on 91 octane that not even JB4 was able to do for him so reliable.

I'm not a vendor that pushes you to buy a certain product, because certain products dont work well for all engines as it does for others. The N20/N26 is a very different, temperamental engine.

2msport why are they the way to go ? they still cant flash you via OBD2 like Mission, Enzo, etc can for example.
Also, the other guy who had his 228 tuned by GSR, actually lets not even go into that lol. But I do recall someone with a 328 who dyno'ed with his GSR tune and it looked ok.

OP, once again take your time, read the forums, find some info on your similar car or engine who has been tuned and what they have done to prove the tune is gaining something good.
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      05-26-2016, 05:44 PM   #12
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I asked mission about a BEF since I'm maxed out jb4 +10 psi limit. Never got back to me.
Maybe ESS won't be as rude.
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I asked mission about a BEF since I'm maxed out jb4 +10 psi limit. Never got back to me.
Maybe ESS won't be as rude.
They're swamped with emails and are currently out the country tuning last i heard a few days ago.
Bmw doubles ocN55 can tell you MissionPerformance
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I asked mission about a BEF since I'm maxed out jb4 +10 psi limit. Never got back to me.
Maybe ESS won't be as rude.
They're swamped with emails and are currently out the country tuning last i heard a few days ago.
Bmw doubles ocN55 can tell you MissionPerformance
ha I was half joking! it's cool I saw their post. just haven't made more progress with this build and I wanna finish it. Next one awaits Even the dme wants to go faster now days asking for 10psi so even at 20 psi, the td04 is still closing throttle all the way to 4.5-5k to control boost.

Makes me want more and I'm addicted lol.
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We must be talking about two different things then
I just realized what you were trying to point out. Yes, I was referring to the AT8 issues GSR was having when they ran into the torque limit right around 350ftlbs.

Sorry, I'm getting old !!!
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JoeyF228 they all good and they all have their pros/cons

I saw another thread of you mentioning piggyback tunes? Any reason why you havent tried one yet? You can prob buy a RaceChip from someone here for under $500 or a new one $600 shipped to you.

Again, it all depends what you want out of your car, the routes may change, are you leasing or financing ? first car or have a 2nd car? are you a Do It Yourself type of person or prefer dealer doing everything for u ? etc etc

MissionPerformance as Stubok mentioned has been doing some great stuff from 550, to old DME F10 535 Bmw doubles to taking ocN55 M235 FBO to whole other level never seen before on 91 octane that not even JB4 was able to do for him so reliable.

I'm not a vendor that pushes you to buy a certain product, because certain products dont work well for all engines as it does for others. The N20/N26 is a very different, temperamental engine.

2msport why are they the way to go ? they still cant flash you via OBD2 like Mission, Enzo, etc can for example.
Also, the other guy who had his 228 tuned by GSR, actually lets not even go into that lol. But I do recall someone with a 328 who dyno'ed with his GSR tune and it looked ok.

I just recently met someone who has dmetuning DMETune not sure if they have done any N20/N26 though. Would be great to see more tuners engine variety tune dyno delta.

OP, once again take your time, read the forums, find some info on your similar car or engine who has been tuned and what they have done to prove the tune is gaining something good.
Mission still has to bench flash the DME initially..then all future flashes/updates can be done via the OBDII port theoretically. Mission, Enzo and GSR all have the same initial procedure..........
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Mission still has to bench flash the DME initially..then all future flashes/updates can be done via the OBDII port theoretically. Mission, Enzo and GSR all have the same initial procedure..........
Everyone has the same initial procedure, but some drill some do not, GSR cannot OBD2 nothing as far as what they've said and customers.
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JoeyF228 they all good and they all have their pros/cons

I saw another thread of you mentioning piggyback tunes? Any reason why you havent tried one yet? You can prob buy a RaceChip from someone here for under $500 or a new one $600 shipped to you.

Again, it all depends what you want out of your car, the routes may change, are you leasing or financing ? first car or have a 2nd car? are you a Do It Yourself type of person or prefer dealer doing everything for u ? etc etc

OP, once again take your time, read the forums, find some info on your similar car or engine who has been tuned and what they have done to prove the tune is gaining something good.
I'm financing the car, got it with 8k miles on it and its CPO Elite warranty until 75k miles. I used to work at the BMW dealer and currently work across the street running the parts dept at a Rover/Jag/VW store. I can do a little myself but usually have one of the techs i know help me out.

This is my only car but i do want to buy a cheap car for hauling the dog around or whatever. I don't race my car and its decently quick but i just want to make sure i get the most for my money. The Enzo tune is about the same price as JB4 + catless downpipe, i would give up a few peak hp to have a safe and reliable tune with nice gains under the curve.

I'll email Mission, Enzo, ESS, and RK Tunes and see which i feel most comfortable with i suppose. Thanks for all the help!
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I'm financing the car, got it with 8k miles on it and its CPO Elite warranty until 75k miles. I used to work at the BMW dealer and currently work across the street running the parts dept at a Rover/Jag/VW store. I can do a little myself but usually have one of the techs i know help me out.

This is my only car but i do want to buy a cheap car for hauling the dog around or whatever. I don't race my car and its decently quick but i just want to make sure i get the most for my money. The Enzo tune is about the same price as JB4 + catless downpipe, i would give up a few peak hp to have a safe and reliable tune with nice gains under the curve.

I'll email Mission, Enzo, ESS, and RK Tunes and see which i feel most comfortable with i suppose. Thanks for all the help!
Thats the best thing to do !
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Here are quotes from Mission after they got back to me via email. Hopefully they make sense without me posting the questions i asked also.

"At this moment we do not have dyno charts, but will have some in near future. If you get the M-Boot option, you will only need to pay $200 to go to stage 2 from stage 1. Also since you are automatic, your car has major torque limitation built into the trans. We are the first company to offer a trans re flash to bypass that limitation and will have it available in the very near future."

"Since automatic transmission on your car has built in torque limitation, tuners had to rescale internal maps to show less torque being made in order to bypass the limitation. Now that we have finished the trans reflash, we don't have to trick the ecu and can allow it to show the actual torque being made. That is actually essential for long term reliability.
Power gains very with setup and gas."

"Ok sounds good. Without Downpipe, safe power gains are around 30 or so peaks but wider power band that you will actually feel."

"Our target AFRs are 12.5 but computer will adjust slightly depends on conditions. We make much more power when we go to 13.5 but for safety and longevity, 12.5 is much better option.

If you want to get a transmission flash, we can do that remotely as long as you choose the mboot option for the DME. We will need a laptop with high speed internet connection. As soon as our end user software is finalized and protected, all of our customers with mboot option will receive a copy of it. It will allow you to load your original trans and ecu flash in case you want to go back to stock without a need for remote connection"
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I don't understand why there aren't any dyno results available; this seems like it should be a SOP for marketing purposes. Actually, I take that back; I've talked to Alex..appears to be a nice guy but their shop doesn't have access to a dyno. You have to get your own baseline and then get the DME flashed and then get another dyno run to show the gains. I'm guessing this is why there aren't published ones for them. PITA to acquire I suppose.

I don't understand the transmission torque limit issue; If the transmission has a limit, I certainly wouldn't want to go above that, no matter how you bypass the safety limiter...maybe I'm missing something (?)
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It may have been a limit in the programming and not something based on the actual hardware, this transmission is used in tons of high HP and TQ cars although i'm sure there are different versions. It does sound contradictory though.

I'm planning on just getting the BMS Stage 1 for now and see how it goes, small investment and should be fine for a while.
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