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      09-15-2016, 09:39 AM   #1
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G31 Touring cross country?

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I was looking at the new V90CC but there was that little rumor that distract me. Scott always told us that the X5 would do anything a cross country car would do but could it be true?
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The raised height makes it look horrendous.
Only time will show if there will be a g31 like this.
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The raised height makes it look horrendous.
Only time will show if there will be a g31 like this.
We once shown a 3er Touring E46 and 5er Touring E39 with raised ride height and our customers were not interested. And then we showed another similar concept recently and they were still not interested.
Customers would rather have the equivalent model in SAV form.
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The raised height makes it look horrendous.
Only time will show if there will be a g31 like this.
We once shown a 3er Touring E46 and 5er Touring E39 with raised ride height and our customers were not interested. And then we showed another similar concept recently and they were still not interested.
Customers would rather have the equivalent model in SAV form.
Maybe you should try it again. It work for Mercedes, Audi and Volvo why can it work for Bmw? It might not be what your actual customers want but it might help to attrack new ones. I never heard old time customers ask for an X4, X6 or a GT but it hasn't stop Bmw to make one.
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Actually X4 was derived from X6 because in markets where X6 was selling in large quantities, there was an opening for customers who wanted the X4. I should point out within that period in several markets there were less pre-owned X6 models as they were being snapped up as quick as possible China in particular. The X4 was the next logical step to bring a car to customers who could not reach to the X6.

The GT series initially started as the RFK a concept similar to the R-Klasse. But was re-evaluated due to the changing customer demographic in regards to older customers. Features introduced include a semi-commanding driving position, first class passenger compartment but with the elegance of a coupe rather than an upright sillouhette like an MPV.
It found its niche,brought customers to the brand and exceeded its initial 10% projection of total 5er sales. Hence why the new one is imminent.

The achievement of the 3er GT is similar. Over 130,000 units sold since introduction in Summer 2013. Its unique form of flexibility to the premium class appeals especially in the European fastback segment in which five doors are preferred over sedans. Again initially expected for 10% of total 3er sales.
The GT has significantly exceeded this by 25% of total 3er sales.
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Actually X4 was derived from X6 because in markets where X6 was selling in large quantities, there was an opening for customers who wanted the X4. I should point out within that period in several markets there were less pre-owned X6 models as they were being snapped up as quick as possible China in particular. The X4 was the next logical step to bring a car to customers who could not reach to the X6.

The GT series initially started as the RFK a concept similar to the R-Klasse. But was re-evaluated due to the changing customer demographic in regards to older customers. Features introduced include a semi-commanding driving position, first class passenger compartment but with the elegance of a coupe rather than an upright sillouhette like an MPV.
It found its niche,brought customers to the brand and exceeded its initial 10% projection of total 5er sales. Hence why the new one is imminent.

The achievement of the 3er GT is similar. Over 130,000 units sold since introduction in Summer 2013. Its unique form of flexibility to the premium class appeals especially in the European fastback segment in which five doors are preferred over sedans. Again initially expected for 10% of total 3er sales.
The GT has significantly exceeded this by 25% of total 3er sales.
http://www.slashgear.com/the-2017-vo...gons-15456261/ 200 000 cross country has been sold in US only and we are talking about Volvo the brand that doesn't sell well! In many Us states the most popular car is the Subaru Outback which a "cheaper cross country". VW Had the Audi Allroad but now they are brigning the Alltrak. Subaru has 2 different cross country style car, Volvo has 3 different ones and now Mercedes is creating a Cross country version of their E-class. Even Buick(via Opel) is talking about the insigna cross country.

I haven't talk about the C250D wagon Mercedes just introduced to Canada or the reintroduction of the V90 wagon from Volvo.

There is a much larger market for wagon that Bmw might think. Maybe from a financial point of vue the X-cars are more profitable but it isn't true that the wagon market is dead.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/21/m...terrain-wagon/ I guess there is no market after all...
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http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/21/m...terrain-wagon/ I guess there is no market after all...
It looks hideous and ill proportioned. The Volvo looks far better.
The Mercedes is Outdoor wear by Versace where the Volvo is the equivalent of The North Face,rugged and for a purpose against a designer label.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/21/m...terrain-wagon/ I guess there is no market after all...
It looks hideous and ill proportioned. The Volvo looks far better.
The Mercedes is Outdoor wear by Versace where the Volvo is the equivalent of The North Face,rugged and for a purpose against a designer label.
So there is a chance for Bmw to bring a G31 "patagonia special" to fight the "north face special" Volvo in North America.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/21/m...terrain-wagon/ I guess there is no market after all...
It looks hideous and ill proportioned. The Volvo looks far better.
The Mercedes is Outdoor wear by Versace where the Volvo is the equivalent of The North Face,rugged and for a purpose against a designer label.
Volvo has a high towing capacity on the S90(2100kg) so if you could bring the G31 with something similar, a 50/50 weight distribution, and ajustable ride height with pneumatic suspension so that you can have it low when you want it, it would be all the car you ever need. With low ride height you could keep Bmw handling behaviour. This type of wagon could sale more than the ordinary G31 or could make the case for it.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/21/m...terrain-wagon/ I guess there is no market after all...
It looks hideous and ill proportioned. The Volvo looks far better.
The Mercedes is Outdoor wear by Versace where the Volvo is the equivalent of The North Face,rugged and for a purpose against a designer label.
I think the proportion in the Mercedes looks better than the Volvo. The Volvo has way too big wheels and sits so high.
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So there is a chance for Bmw to bring a G31 "patagonia special" to fight the "north face special" Volvo in North America.
No. XDrive on the 5er Touring is more than capable without resorting to a higher ride height.
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So there is a chance for Bmw to bring a G31 "patagonia special" to fight the "north face special" Volvo in North America.
No. XDrive on the 5er Touring is more than capable without resorting to a higher ride height.
So when I'm gonna be able to order one in that case?
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If you live in Europe...
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And if you don't Bmw force you to buy a X-car or go to your nearest Volvo/Mercedes dealer so I guess I know what will happen next.
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I don't know why MB is making it. I live in Europe, and I see few Audi Allroad than in the recent past. Things are changing, and in my opinion a car like an Audi Allroad has less market than a Qx series. In my case I have no doubt, if I need something all terrain, I would probably go for a SUV like the Alfa Romeo Stelvio for example, owing at the same time a normal car such as a 5er or a 3er. I don't believe in a car that can do everything: it's a wagon sedan, but it's 4 wheel drive, but it's also a SUV. I think that all these caratherystics doesn't live well together.... because at the end, you hjave only a sedan, that drinks too much compared to its normal sister, but it cannot be used as a real SUV can be used to. These kind of Hybridations are nice to see....but awful to drive, and I repeat, here in Italy ten years ago, there were a lot more allroad of what I can see now...because who owned an allroad in the past, nowadays has a Qx model, a SUV, not a wagon that wants to be a SUV. IMHO.
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We once shown a 3er Touring E46 and 5er Touring E39 with raised ride height and our customers were not interested. And then we showed another similar concept recently and they were still not interested.
Customers would rather have the equivalent model in SAV form.
Could it be that BMW's SAVs drive as well and match the efficiency of other automakers' raised wagons? For me the argument against an SAV is related to weight and fuel consumption, but the raised wagons do not fare much better than their respective brands' SUVs.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/26/b...l-wagon-rumor/ Seem like Buick is also getting involved in the Wagon market.
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If you live in Europe...
http://blog.caranddriver.com/jaguar-...tbrake-in-u-s/ well seem like pretty much everybody is thinking different.
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The raised height makes it look horrendous.
Only time will show if there will be a g31 like this.
All I could suggest is buy a Subaroo Outback!! MUCH better objective choice than a Chinese XC90CC whatever.
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The arrival of the new BMW X3,X2,X5 and the X7 cancel out such models.
BMW xDrive is more than capable in the standard models that it does not require additional utilitarian attire.

BMW's range of Sport Activity Vehicles are renowned for being more car-like because of their philosophy as the vehicle closer is to the road than other manufacturers Sport Utility Vehicles. And are more car like in Dynamics and feel. An X model virtually cancels out a similar concept.
Besides an all new X5 due in 2018 will have a far better sales advantage.
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The arrival of the new BMW X3,X2,X5 and the X7 cancel out such models.
BMW xDrive is more than capable in the standard models that it does not require additional utilitarian attire.

BMW's range of Sport Activity Vehicles are renowned for being more car-like because of their philosophy as the vehicle closer is to the road than other manufacturers Sport Utility Vehicles. And are more car like in Dynamics and feel. An X model virtually cancels out a similar concept.
Besides an all new X5 due in 2018 will have a far better sales advantage.
That's all nice things to be said during a share holders meeting. But one thing you forget is that due to the lack of almost any rebate the customer that end up with a touring really want a touring and is a loyal customer to BMW. On the other hand the X-cars are mostly rented by customer who are looking for the cheapest lease payment. It might be BMW this time but if
Mercedes are cheaper next time they will go elsewhere.
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