[J_MENIS]

Which tires would be best overall?

The Super Sports or Sport A/s 3 , I live in San Francisco so there is no snow just rain. Sometimes the rain is heavy in winter but typically isnt too bad. Average climate is high 40-80 degrees F.


-Im FBO with an E40 mix

[hollandog]

PSS

[J_MENIS]

Originally Posted by J_MENIS

*ACCIDENTALLY PUT PS3*

A/S3 *****

Which tires would be best overall?

The Super Sports or Sport A/s 3 , I live in San Francisco so there is no snow just rain. Sometimes the rain is heavy in winter but typically isnt too bad. Average climate is high 40-80 degrees F.


-Im FBO with an E40 mix

Originally Posted by hollandog

PSS

Fine for semi-heavy rain?

[Kabrich]

Neither.

Go with RE-11 or Conti SportContact 6 if you can find them.

Read the F80/F82 forum. They don't like the MPSS.

[hollandog]

Originally Posted by J_MENIS

Fine for semi-heavy rain?

PSS does well in wet.

[zamboni]

Pilot Super Sport.

[stormlv]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Neither.

The MPSS replacement is launched in January. The PS4S.

Good to know.

I was extremely happy with the PSS. Handling in the wet is exemplary as well as in the dry.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by J_MENIS

*ACCIDENTALLY PUT PS3*

A/S3 *****

Which tires would be best overall?

The Super Sports or Sport A/s 3 , I live in San Francisco so there is no snow just rain. Sometimes the rain is heavy in winter but typically isnt too bad. Average climate is high 40-80 degrees F.


-Im FBO with an E40 mix

PSS makes no compromises. If you live in that kind of climate, I don't see why there's even a debate.

[motorwerkeman]

Michelin PSS is the best thing you can do for these cars.

If you can wait a little - see if there's any clearance deals on PSS as they are being replaced by PS4S soon.

[Kabrich]

Originally Posted by stormlv

I was extremely happy with the PSS. Handling in the wet is exemplary as well as in the dry.

Originally Posted by hollandog

PSS does well in wet.

MPSS is about the worse tire you can use in wet conditions

http://www.evo.co.uk/features/18309/...-test/page/0/1

[Kabrich]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

PSS makes no compromises. If you live in that kind of climate, I don't see why there's even a debate.

Because actual tests show a much different result?

Bottom line. MPSS is better for track. If you want better performance on the street, it's not the MPSS.

Conti 6 were why MPSS are being phased out as they cannot compete.

[MomoM3]

You live in SAN FRANCISCO. Get the PSS hands down! You absolutely don't need an all-season tire in that climate. For the few days it gets down to 45 degrees and rainy you'll still be absolutely fine. Never had a problem with PSS on any car in the rain and I'm in the Northeast.

PS4S won't be out for a few months anyway plus it's a brand new tire so I would wait to read reviews.

[stormlv]

Originally Posted by Kabrich

MPSS is about the worse tire you can use in wet conditions

http://www.evo.co.uk/features/18309/...-test/page/0/1

I saw lots of other tests that said otherwise...

One example here:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=218

One thing that I didn't find in the article is the temperature that the tests you mention were performed at.

If it was cold outside, it may account for the difference in performance.
I did notice that once the temperature drops, I start losing grip with my PSSes

[J_MENIS]

Originally Posted by stormlv

I saw lots of other tests that said otherwise...

One example here:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=218

One thing that I didn't find in the article is the temperature that the tests you mention were performed at.

If it was cold outside, it may account for the difference in performance.
I did notice that once the temperature drops, I start losing grip with my PSSes

Around what temp do you notice it start to have less grip ?

[Kabrich]

Originally Posted by stormlv

I saw lots of other tests that said otherwise...

One example here:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=218

One thing that I didn't find in the article is the temperature that the tests you mention were performed at.

If it was cold outside, it may account for the difference in performance.
I did notice that once the temperature drops, I start losing grip with my PSSes

So 1 test where they did not even tests the Conti 6s makes you believe the MPSS is better? There's always a winner in a Beauty Pagent even if there are no 10s.

Furthermore that one test you refer to was on a 6 mile road - as opposed to a tire test course built to test extreme performance of tires. BTW, how do you put an exact amount of water for testing multiple vehicles over time on a Public Road?

And as the article was published 55 days ago, I assume you do not know the temps of Texas in the Summer.

And why did the New record holder for front wheel drive cars fastest lap time at Nuremberg use the Conti 6?

And I suspect you didn't look at the F80 thread where Bimmer owners who own the MPSS get honest about them.

Hell, read the Comments about the Conti 6 tires from EU F89/F82 owners on the board that are now using them.

Believe what you want, but MPSS time has come and gone

And good thing, because Contis 6 are about 20% cheaper than the MPSS

[stormlv]

I haven't seen so many smilies on one page since I was using mIRC

Originally Posted by Kabrich

So 1 test where they did not even tests the Conti 6s makes you believe the MPSS is better? There's always a winner in a Beauty Pagent even if there are no 10s.

Where did I say that MPSS are better than Continental?

My comment was aimed at what you said about the MPSS being pretty much the worst that you can get for handling in the wet.

Originally Posted by Kabrich

Furthermore that one test you refer to was on a 6 mile road - as opposed to a tire test course built to test extreme performance of tires. BTW, how do you put an exact amount of water for testing multiple vehicles over time on a Public Road?

The reason I don't take a single article published, for granted, is because of the variability of roads and road conditions that you can have.

One type of tire may excel on one type of surface on not on the other.

I gave you an example in which they praise MPSS, but there are others. Granted they are older since the tire has been on the market for 5? years now, but the fact remains...it's not "about the worse tire you can use in wet conditions".

Originally Posted by Kabrich

And as the article was published 55 days ago, I assume you do not know the temps of Texas in the Summer.

This puts it at the end of September...not exactly summer, but I get the point.

Originally Posted by Kabrich

And why did the New record holder for front wheel drive cars fastest lap time at Nuremberg use the Conti 6?

I actually have no idea, since by the very test that you point out, the MPSS was the best in the dry...

Originally Posted by Kabrich

And I suspect you didn't look at the F80 thread where Bimmer owners who own the MPSS get honest about them.

Hell, read the Comments about the Conti 6 tires from EU F89/F82 owners on the board that are now using them.

Believe what you want, but MPSS time has come and gone

And good thing, because Contis 6 are about 20% cheaper than the MPSS

I'll be sure to check it up when I switch forums...

[stormlv]

Originally Posted by J_MENIS

Around what temp do you notice it start to have less grip ?

I start noticing it at ~10C-15C (50F-60F)

For me it's obvious when I get on the highway next to my town, as I have a sort of a U turn just before merging, that I like to accelerate through...

[Kabrich]

Originally Posted by stormlv

This puts it at the end of September...not exactly summer, but I get the point.

Assumed most realize that tests are not reported day they are completed. Typical delay is 30-90 days, which puts it in middle of a Texas Summer Heat.

Originally Posted by stormlv

I actually have no idea, since by the very test that you point out, the MPSS was the best in the dry...

As I pointed out MPSS best for track. But most do not do that....and certainly not primary use. Serious trackers would have a set of track wheels.

Originally Posted by stormlv

I'll be sure to check it up when I switch forums...

Considering link off the main menu just under General Discussion as F30 and F80 are so closely related....

[Kabrich]

Originally Posted by stormlv

I start noticing it at ~10C-15C (50F-60F)

Someone is unaware of Texas Summers and San Francisco average temps.

[J_MENIS]

Originally Posted by Kabrich

Someone is unaware of Texas Summers and San Francisco average temps.

60F is our average year round LOL. Too late now, tires are being put on today lol

[J_MENIS]

They're about to go on

[Kabrich]

Originally Posted by J_MENIS

60F is our average year round LOL. Too late now, tires are being put on today lol

High 60s is the average monthly a HIGH for several months that can be seen in the monthly data below. You are not at the high of day for a long period of time during the day.

To wit, look at average low each month.

http://www.usclimatedata.com/climate...sca0987/2016/1

But whatever.