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      01-30-2017, 02:27 PM   #1
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Michelin Pilot Sport 4S test

Looks good.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/01...-at-cornering/
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      01-30-2017, 06:30 PM   #2
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I might need to splurge on these. I was originally going to go Continental
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Definitely worth looking into when the next set of tires come due.
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LOL.

Next thing you'll be taking Stereo Reviews from Car and Driver.

Funny how Michelin didn't release test results of Wet and a Dry Grip....meaning the Continental SC6 beat them, as the Independent tests showed against the MPSS in 2016.

And talk about fake news. What a misleading Headline.

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LOL.

Next thing Iyou'll be taking Stereo Reviews from Car and Driver.

Funny how Michelin didn't release test results of Wet and a Dry Grip....meaning the Continental SC6 beat them, as the Independent tests showed against the MPSS in 2016.

And talk about fake news. What a misleading Headline.
Suppose you didn't take the time to read the writer/contributor bio?

http://www.erictegler.com/about/

The Conti SC6 might be a fine tire but its currently only available in 5 sizes (I'm sure that will change). According to Continentals sizing tool the only BMW (I checked 2, 3, 4, and 5 series) it currently fits with OEM wheels is the M2.
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Suppose you didn't take the time to read the writer/contributor bio?

http://www.erictegler.com/about/



The Conti SC6 might be a fine tire but its currently only available in 5 sizes (I'm sure that will change). According to Continentals sizing tool the only BMW (I checked 2, 3, 4, and 5 series) it currently fits with OEM wheels is the M2.
Unimpressed with bio. So he's a car, space, economic, jazz and political expert.....and I missed a few, lol.

So is Oprah but I wouldn't listen to her reviews on tires either, especially with a Headline AND NO FACTS TO BACK IT UP.

Incorrect on sizes of SC6 as well....
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      01-30-2017, 09:54 PM   #7
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Actually, I believe you are right - I was incorrect. Let me correct myself. According to the Continental USA website, the CS6 is offered in 4 sizes.

Here's the site I visited.

http://www.continentaltire.com/



And Tire Rack who currently offers 3 of the 4 sizes.



If Conti is offering your extensive list of sizes in the USA, they might want to ask their marketing department to update their website (and let retailers know). If you find the CS6 is offered in several more sizes outside the USA, then great. I believe I was fairly clear that Conti would likely offer additional sizes in the future. You've politely offered that info.
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Actually, I believe you are right - I was incorrect. Let me correct myself. According to the Continental USA website, the CS6 is offered in 4 sizes.

Here's the site I visited.

http://www.continentaltire.com/



And Tire Rack who currently offers 3 of the 4 sizes.



If Conti is offering your extensive list of sizes in the USA, they might want to ask their marketing department to update their website (and let retailers know). If you find the CS6 is offered in several more sizes outside the USA, then great. I believe I was fairly clear that Conti would likely offer additional sizes in the future. You've politely offered that info.
Care to edit your post?

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1345124

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Nope. Going by what the makers of the CS6 tell their USA consumer. If Conti themselves cannot get it right, then I'd say another case in point to buy Michelin.

Time to move on...
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Nope. Going by what the makers of the CS6 tell their USA consumer. If Conti themselves cannot get it right, then I'd say another case in point to buy Michelin.

Time to move on...
Yes, as the BMW build your car webapp is always right

Some of us don't go by hype. I go by the Independent side by side tests, not how good the web designers or PR Departments are.
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Im ordering mine as soon as available in US. Had PS1 and PS2 and have had continental extreme contact DW on my last summer set. I liked DW but wore fast and got loud. Gonna try Michelin again.
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These do look very good. I'd like to see Michelin release a new Runflat Performance Tire.

I lease and really want to avoid spare donut kit or inflator kit. Plus I know someone who had an inflator kit and no spare - had a flat and the inflator kit didn't hold. He ended getting towed 2 hours later.

Unfortunately for my car the only Michelin runflat is the Primacy. I continue to buy non Michelin and this is my 3rd car I had no good Michelin option. Sad.
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Kabrich is a Continental salesperson/spokesperson lol.
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Kabrich is a Continental salesperson/spokesperson lol.
Lol that's what I am getting from this as well.
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You're so hard selling the SC6 on every thread every chance you have.
Performance it might be marginally better than MPSS but no reviews proved it's better than MP4S.
You jumped into conclusion to market your superior SC6 that you have a thread selling ($250 each not that cheap).

You also fail to compare the tread life of the SC6 which is abysmal.
Multiple people reported the SC6 only last them 6000-6500 miles. Have fun replacing your SC6 every 6 months.

Size options are also very limited.
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You're so hard selling the SC6 on every thread every chance you have.
Performance it might be marginally better than MPSS but no reviews proved it's better than MP4S.
You jumped into conclusion to market your superior SC6 that you have a thread selling ($250 each not that cheap).

You also fail to compare the tread life of the SC6 which is abysmal.
Multiple people reported the SC6 only last them 6000-6500 miles. Have fun replacing your SC6 every 6 months.

Size options are also very limited.
Multiple reports?

LOL.

I have freely admitted that they last 20% less than Michelin in multiple threads....yet selling for 20% cheaper.

Michelin rated at 300 and SC6 at 240.....or 20%

Even the Michelin MPS4S release of only 5 data points never showed the SC6 as lasting a ridiculous 6,000-6,500 miles so clearly you are making ridiculous claims as the rest of the Michelin Cult.

As the Michelin PS4S release says the SC6 lasts for 18,453 miles and you do not believe that, how can you believe the MPS4S beat the SC6 on a 2600m track by 0.40 seconds or that the MPS4S beat the SC6 in stopping by 31 inches, lol.

I have NEVER had a problem getting any size I needed....another set showed up this morning. They are available in more sizes than the MPS4S is available in, so I guess that makes the MPS4S Extremely Limited.

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Kabrich is a Continental salesperson/spokesperson lol.
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Lol that's what I am getting from this as well.
Again, funny how I am the only one quoting facts and hasn't swallowed the kool-aid.

If MPS4S prove themselves in Independent Tests, them I'll gladly use them.

However, interesting the Michelin cult will not even admit the SC6 beat the MPSS, which is now very factual after many Independent Reputable tests.

And interesting that you ignored that I have answered many questions as to sizes, availability etc of MPS4S on multiple threads when people asked questions without making a Continental comment.

That's fairer than any of you have been.

And at least the facts back me up.

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This thread went south in a hurry. The other thread with this exact same "debate" isn't even cold yet. I propose you folks agree to disagree and move on. I'd wager they're all great tires. Not sure why it matters so much which tires another person decides to buy for his or her own car.

In my book, you get a say when you pay.
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Multiple reports?

LOL.

I have freely admitted that they last 20% less than Michelin in multiple threads....yet selling for 20% cheaper.

Michelin rated at 300 and SC6 at 240.....or 20%

Even the Michelin MPS4S release of only 5 data points never showed the SC6 as lasting a ridiculous 6,000-6,500 miles so clearly you are making ridiculous claims as the rest of the Michelin Cult.

As the Michelin PS4S release says the SC6 lasts for 18,453 miles and you do not believe that, how can you believe the MPS4S beat the SC6 on a 2600m track by 0.40 seconds or that the MPS4S beat the SC6 in stopping by 31 inches, lol.

I have NEVER had a problem getting any size I needed....another set showed up this morning. They are available in more sizes than the MPS4S is available in, so I guess that makes the MPS4S Extremely Limited.

Care to list reputable source to get the SC6 in common sizes? Sorry you're not reputable source.
You just sound desperate to get your SC6 stocks out of your hand by hard selling it on every single thread.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Co...-Contact-6.htm
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Multiple reports?

LOL.

I have freely admitted that they last 20% less than Michelin in multiple threads....yet selling for 20% cheaper.

Michelin rated at 300 and SC6 at 240.....or 20%

Even the Michelin MPS4S release of only 5 data points never showed the SC6 as lasting a ridiculous 6,000-6,500 miles so clearly you are making ridiculous claims as the rest of the Michelin Cult.

As the Michelin PS4S release says the SC6 lasts for 18,453 miles and you do not believe that, how can you believe the MPS4S beat the SC6 on a 2600m track by 0.40 seconds or that the MPS4S beat the SC6 in stopping by 31 inches, lol.

I have NEVER had a problem getting any size I needed....another set showed up this morning. They are available in more sizes than the MPS4S is available in, so I guess that makes the MPS4S Extremely Limited.
So much bullshitting like you claimed you can still order A/S 19" tires on F30.
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So much bullshitting like you claimed you can still order A/S 19" tires on F30.
Again, I posted screenshot of car configuration app that allowed me to chose - and know what I was asked in 2013 at a Dealer when I signed build sheet.
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Care to list reputable source to get the SC6 in common sizes? Sorry you're not reputable source.
You just sound desperate to get your SC6 stocks out of your hand by hard selling it on every single thread.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Co...-Contact-6.htm
So you are agreeing the data from the Michelin PS4S test is BS??

Good to know...and that those non Independent non well respected probable Michelin Trolls leaving negative remarks are your idea of respected independent sources.

Also strange that the site where those comments are posted tested the tires for a claimed over 1,500 miles and they did not mention any issue with unusual fast 6500 miles tread life, as that would have been about 25% of the tread. One wonders how they could have missed that?

If real (and one wonders why Michelin would test them and claim they were good for 3x that miles) then I would agree that is an issue.
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