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      04-04-2017, 04:05 AM   #1
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Does anybody know when the new X3 will be available in the UK
My 2015 X3 has just had its 2nd birthday, must say I've no complaints but on my next car will go for adaptive suspension and rear view camera. I will also have to review my engine choice as I went for the 3 litre last time.
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Has the 3 litre been expensive to run?
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Has the 3 litre been expensive to run?
I have a 63 plate X3 xDrive 30d M Sport with 5 year maintenance plan, so no cost there other than the original outlay when purchased.

Fuel costs! Depending on how heavy footed you are. Most people have the 3 litre for the extra power and acceleration. Nobody I know buys it for its frugality.

My fuel consumption is as follows:
Long runs with a lot cruising around 39 mpg.
Short runs with some city driving around 33 mpg. I do not use it for short runs very often and this depends on winter weather conditions that adversely affects engine warm up time.
Overall about 37 mpg. This through the past 2 years.

Note. I have corrected the OBC fuel consumption read out with the procedure posted on this forum and it is within 0.1 to 0.2 mpg ALL the time.

I hope this helps!
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I have a 63 plate X3 xDrive 30d M Sport with 5 year maintenance plan, so no cost there other than the original outlay when purchased.

Fuel costs! Depending on how heavy footed you are. Most people have the 3 litre for the extra power and acceleration. Nobody I know buys it for its frugality.

My fuel consumption is as follows:
Long runs with a lot cruising around 39 mpg.
Short runs with some city driving around 33 mpg. I do not use it for short runs very often and this depends on winter weather conditions that adversely affects engine warm up time.
Overall about 37 mpg. This through the past 2 years.

Note. I have corrected the OBC fuel consumption read out with the procedure posted on this forum and it is within 0.1 to 0.2 mpg ALL the time.

I hope this helps!
That's very good fuel economy. You must be coasting downhill a lot and not spending much time in start and stop traffic.
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Has the 3 litre been expensive to run?
Apart from the additional insurance premium and mpg, mines currently 34 mpg as I've not reset the trip for just over 4500 miles so that pretty accurate. The car goes so well with the 3 litre engine with only a bit of turbo lag that the 335 would put right but then you are talking more money, insurance etc.
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That's very good fuel economy. You must be coasting downhill a lot and not spending much time in start and stop traffic.
Yes it is. Just look at my fuelly signature below It is extremely accurate. That is over 16,000 miles.

Remember what I said......I do not use it very often for short runs. For local stuff (shopping and so on) we use the wife's little 1.4 litre petrol SEAT Ibiza that gives similar consumption.

Notes.

1. A lot of people quote OBC fuel readouts. It is generally accepted that these are incorrect by + 8%. Many comments on UK forums about this, even from a BMW dealer person who sponsors the BMWLander forum.

2. Here is procedure that was posted by others that I have refined and used and managed to get my read out to within 0.3 mpg of the actual fuelly readings... This works on most later BMWs

Calibrate BMW MPG
1. Hold down the odometer reset button and turn the ignition on by pushing start/stop button.
2. Release the odometer reset button, and you should see a menu of 4 items on the dashboard. From here on, use the odometer-reset button to advance to the next entry through a short press, and to select through a long press.
3. Choose the one that says Unlock through the above, which will take you to a passkey screen. Your passkey is the sum of the last 5 digits of your VIN. Increment the two-digit number until you get to it, and with the long press of the odometer button, select it.
4. Scroll down to correction factor and modify it from 1000 to whatever you require.
Standard factor is 1000 going up above 1000 reduces the mpg on the dash, below 1000 increases the mpg reading.
If it is showing 41mpg and the actual is 38mpg you are approximately 8% optimistic, so try setting it to around 1080 and see how you get on.
Sort of ignore the 4th zero, think of it as 100.0% and you are adjusting in percentage, so add 8% so it thinks it is consuming 8% more fuel than it does at the moment, hence the 108.0.
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Yes it is. Just look at my fuelly signature below It is extremely accurate. That is over 16,000 miles.

Remember what I said......I do not use it very often for short runs. For local stuff (shopping and so on) we use the wife's little 1.4 litre petrol SEAT Ibiza that gives similar consumption.

Notes.

1. A lot of people quote OBC fuel readouts. It is generally accepted that these are incorrect by + 8%. Many comments on UK forums about this, even from a BMW dealer person who sponsors the BMWLander forum.

2. Here is procedure that was posted by others that I have refined and used and managed to get my read out to within 0.3 mpg of the actual fuelly readings... This works on most later BMWs

Calibrate BMW MPG
1. Hold down the odometer reset button and turn the ignition on by pushing start/stop button.
2. Release the odometer reset button, and you should see a menu of 4 items on the dashboard. From here on, use the odometer-reset button to advance to the next entry through a short press, and to select through a long press.
3. Choose the one that says Unlock through the above, which will take you to a passkey screen. Your passkey is the sum of the last 5 digits of your VIN. Increment the two-digit number until you get to it, and with the long press of the odometer button, select it.
4. Scroll down to correction factor and modify it from 1000 to whatever you require.
Standard factor is 1000 going up above 1000 reduces the mpg on the dash, below 1000 increases the mpg reading.
If it is showing 41mpg and the actual is 38mpg you are approximately 8% optimistic, so try setting it to around 1080 and see how you get on.
Sort of ignore the 4th zero, think of it as 100.0% and you are adjusting in percentage, so add 8% so it thinks it is consuming 8% more fuel than it does at the moment, hence the 108.0.
Thanks. I will try the recalibration.

I used bought a white 1.2TSI Skoda Fabia Color Edition to use as a runner as 95% of our journeys are shorter than 2 miles.
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Runner?

Mine is a MY-97 9000 Turbo (225bhp,350Nm) with 290.000 km on the clock - hard to beat?

Personally, I believe focus on fuel economy is - for most people - a bit over the top. Doing some math, most people can see that fuel cost is - almost - marginal.

I still enjoy the sound of my petrol inline 6- both engine and exhaust.
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Oh no - I could'nt wait

In a moment of madness I test drove a Merc 250 GLC and found it a great drive and for £41K includes Metallic paint AMG line reversing camera panoramic sun roof ect ect. I've....... ordered one for delivery in July! I've had BMW's for the past 10 years so this will was a difficult decision, hope I don't regret it!!!
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I know I no longer have my X3, but I keep gravitating to this forum.

My X3 was a 2.0D and while I was relatively happy with 38 mpg average, I was never totally happy with the 4 cylinder diesel.

I decided on a F15 3.0 V6 diesel and it is averaging 29 mpg, but I am not really trying to achieve good economy at the moment. It also has adaptive damping, which I always wanted on my X3.The combination of the damping and super V6 power makes a massive difference to the driving experience.

I am not suggesting that the X5 is the answer, but I wouldn't hesitate to go for the 3.0 D X3 with adaptive suspension if looking for another X3. That must be an awesome combination in the X3.
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I decided on a F15 3.0 V6 diesel .............
A BMW V6 diesel? - Sacrilege

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I decided on a F15 3.0 V6 diesel and it is averaging 29 mpg, but I am not really trying to achieve good economy at the moment. It also has adaptive damping, which I always wanted on my X3.The combination of the damping and super V6 power makes a massive difference to the driving experience.
It is a straight 6 in-line diesel engine. In my view it does make a difference to the driving, but it is all subjective. I went from a 2007 E91 3 litre in-line 6 diesel engine, to a 2012 F31 2 litre 4cyl in-line diesel engine. I was very disappointed, so I then went back to an X3 xDrive 30d MSport 6 cyl in-line and can honestly say the driving experience (to me) is better.
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See my reply below!
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It is a straight 6 in-line diesel engine. In my view it does make a difference to the driving, but it is all subjective. I went from a 2007 E91 3 litre in-line 6 diesel engine, to a 2012 F31 2 litre 4cyl in-line diesel engine. I was very disappointed, so I then went back to an X3 xDrive 30d MSport 6 cyl in-line and can honestly say the driving experience (to me) is better.
I have to claim an embarrassed ignorance about the configuration of the engine, with my only mitigation being the technical details on the BMW website.

This states the engine is a V6 and I even popped the hood on the car briefly and thought it's virtually new under there and there is a big plastic cover, so nothing visible. I didn't even question it. It also sounds like a V6, but clearly in my imagination!
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I have to claim an embarrassed ignorance about the configuration of the engine, with my only mitigation being the technical details on the BMW website.

This states the engine is a V6 and I even popped the hood on the car briefly and thought it's virtually new under there and there is a big plastic cover, so nothing visible. I didn't even question it. It also sounds like a V6, but clearly in my imagination!
It would be nice to see the link from where you copied it and pasted here?

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/attach...1&d=1496776064
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It would be nice to see the link from where you copied it and pasted here?

http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/attach...1&d=1496776064
Try this and look under technical specifications:

http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/X/3.0TD-25...cmdc=se_na_re_

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Try this and look under technical specifications:

http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/X/3.0TD-25...cmdc=se_na_re_
Geez its a more than a little sad to read this on an official BMW site. I can certainly understand and appreciate there's a lot of people out there who drive cars and even participate in forums such as these who don't fully understand what engine they've got in their car.

But for someone in a BMW company/dealership/affiliate who doesn't understand the history and heritage of BMW enough not to recognise an obvious error when they see one - is very disappointing. BMW have never ever used a V6 engine - petrol or diesel - in any production car. This is part of who BMW are and it makes them unique.

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Getting this thread a little bit back on topic regarding the 30d vs 20d discussion.

Back in 2011 when we were looking at the F25 X3, initially BMW Australia was only going to bring in the 20d diesel (plus the 20i and original 6-cylinder 28i petrols). It was a relatively late discussion by them to bring in the 30d. By then we have already test-driven the X3 20d and had decided it simply didn't offer anything special and had decided on the Volvo XC60 D5 instead. When BMW Australia confirmed they would bring in the 30d, we had a test drive actually of an F15 X5 30d, and decided on the spot (without even a test drive of an X3 30d) that the X3 30d was going to be the car for us. Its a decision after nearly 6 great years we don't regret.

With the new G01 X3 just around the corner ironically we find ourselves in almost the same situation. If BMW Australia doesn't bring in the 30d (and with Audi Australia not bringing in the new Q5 3.0D it doesn't look good), our next new car will in all likelihood be the new XC60 D5.

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Geez its a more than a little sad to read this on an official BMW site. I can certainly understand and appreciate there's a lot of people out there who drive cars and even participate in forums such as these who don't fully understand what engine they've got in their car.

But for someone in a BMW company/dealership/affiliate who doesn't understand the history and heritage of BMW enough not to recognise an obvious error when they see one - is very disappointing. BMW have never ever used a V6 engine - petrol or diesel - in any production car. This is part of who BMW are and it makes them unique.

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I agree entirely. A very sad day.
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An inline 6 BMW is a strong contender for the next family car. I'm hoping the X3 M40i will tick all the boxes for both the SO and me. Very nearly bought a current an inline 6 diesel last summer but would have had to be a factory order to get my spec and was able to drive away a brand new V6 diesel from another manufacturer that met my needs.

Wouldn't it be good to find car sales people as knowledgeable about their products as us car nuts. There are some out there - but they are few and far between.

Shame on a BMW dealer for advertising a BMW with a V6 engine.
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An inline 6 BMW is a strong contender for the next family car. I'm hoping the X3 M40i will tick all the boxes for both the SO and me. Very nearly bought a current an inline 6 diesel last summer but would have had to be a factory order to get my spec and was able to drive away a brand new V6 diesel from another manufacturer that met my needs.

Wouldn't it be good to find car sales people as knowledgeable about their products as us car nuts. There are some out there - but they are few and far between.

Shame on a BMW dealer for advertising a BMW with a V6 engine.
Cobstar, it isn't just one dealer, but throughout BMW UK.
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Cobstar, it isn't just one dealer, but throughout BMW UK.
Very sad. The salesman we bought a four-year old secondhand X3 from was keen and seemed knowledgeable. He'd started off as a "Genius".

But on newer purchases I think the SO and I have had more product knowledge than the salesman. My 1 series was mis-described on the internet site as having front parking sensors. And lots of dealer secondhand sites can't differentiate correctly between standard spec and optional extras.
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