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      08-29-2017, 01:07 AM   #1
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Factory service manual?

Is there anywhere to get the factory service manual without paying an arm and a leg?

With Audi, you can pay $20 or something for a day worth of access to their tech website, and all of the service manuals are PDFs. I just downloaded all of the stuff for my TT and saved it offline for future use. Anything similar for BMW?
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Anybody? How does one obtain the factory repair manual(s) for a BMW?
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BMW and Mercedes are very secretive about their repair manuals. You can buy them from BMW or wait for other publishers like bentley to publish them. But it will take a while for them to publish them.
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BMW and Mercedes are very secretive about their repair manuals. You can buy them from BMW or wait for other publishers like bentley to publish them. But it will take a while for them to publish them.
... not so much.

The FSM is built into ISTAD Rheingold. Bentley bases their manuals from the actual BMW FSM.
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I found where to start after poking around:

https://www.bmwtechinfo.com/

Looks like it might be similar to the Audi setup; hoping the manuals are all just PDFs so I can buy a day of access, snag what I need, and be done with it. If it requires ongoing payments, I certainly won't be dealing with that nonsense.
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I found where to start after poking around:

https://www.bmwtechinfo.com/

Looks like it might be similar to the Audi setup; hoping the manuals are all just PDFs so I can buy a day of access, snag what I need, and be done with it. If it requires ongoing payments, I certainly won't be dealing with that nonsense.
Or just get a copy of ISTA/D / ISTA+, get a ENET cable and do your own diagnostics / servicing? a service manual is quite pointless as many things you would need a service manual for is pointless without being able to reset / perform calibrations.

Don't forget proper reset of CBS items also.
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Not sure about BMW, but Toyota has a website that you can pay $10 for a 24 hour period. You then have access to all the OEM service manuals. I purchased a one day pass since I work on my own car a lot and I needed a question answered quickly.

Would be nice if BMW did the same!
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I found where to start after poking around:
https://www.bmwtechinfo.com/
Did you see this in the fine print?
"BMW troubleshooting charts, guides and aids for diagnosis are integrated into BMW service tools. Stand-alone guides for troubleshooting are not available via this website."
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Or just get a copy of ISTA/D / ISTA+, get a ENET cable and do your own diagnostics / servicing? a service manual is quite pointless as many things you would need a service manual for is pointless without being able to reset / perform calibrations.

Don't forget proper reset of CBS items also.
I have an ENET cable and ESYS, I don't know if that is the same as ISTA? I wasn't aware that service procedures were built into the app though.

I was just looking for info like removing trim pieces to run wires, or torque specs for bolts. Presumably the app won't show you that info until you attach to a car (so it knows which info to show), so that's kind of lame too.
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Did you see this in the fine print?
"BMW troubleshooting charts, guides and aids for diagnosis are integrated into BMW service tools. Stand-alone guides for troubleshooting are not available via this website."
Nope, but I'm not looking for troubleshooting charts / guides / diagnosis aids. I'm assuming things like how to R&R various bits would maybe still be in there?

Obviously the whole "Guided fault finding" crap is part of ISTA, but I find it hard to believe they don't have PDFs of how to take things apart and reattach them. That's the kind of thing a body shop would generally want, and a body shop isn't going to keep ISTA around when they aren't doing the diagnostic part and just replacing crashed bits...
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Nope, but I'm not looking for troubleshooting charts / guides / diagnosis aids. I'm assuming things like how to R&R various bits would maybe still be in there?

Obviously the whole "Guided fault finding" crap is part of ISTA, but I find it hard to believe they don't have PDFs of how to take things apart and reattach them. That's the kind of thing a body shop would generally want, and a body shop isn't going to keep ISTA around when they aren't doing the diagnostic part and just replacing crashed bits...

It's all in ISTA+, it's different from ESYS. You don't need the car hooked up, although if you had the car hooked up and there were error codes you can go through the test plans.. Super useful... eg: when I did a full ISTEP upgrade using ESYS on my M2 or X3, I had to re-lock the airbags along with calibrate the window traps.

You can look up procedures on other cars too, easier if you had the VIN ( production differences )
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It's all in ISTA+, it's different from ESYS. You don't need the car hooked up, although if you had the car hooked up and there were error codes you can go through the test plans.. Super useful... eg: when I did a full ISTEP upgrade using ESYS on my M2 or X3, I had to re-lock the airbags along with calibrate the window traps.

You can look up procedures on other cars too, easier if you had the VIN ( production differences )
Any pointers on where to "obtain" ISTA and not have to worry about security dongles or monthly fees or anything like that? I need to break out the google I guess...
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Any pointers on where to "obtain" ISTA and not have to worry about security dongles or monthly fees or anything like that? I need to break out the google I guess...
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho....php?t=1023698
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Anybody? How does one obtain the factory repair manual(s) for a BMW?
there are some manuals for repair and maintenance here
https://www.bimmer-service.com/
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Yep, this. Pretty much everything you need to know.
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Yep, this. Pretty much everything you need to know.
Site was shut down at the request of BMW. Apparently they don't want anyone working on the vehicles without paying exorbitant subscription rates.
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Yep, this. Pretty much everything you need to know.
Site was shut down at the request of BMW. Apparently they don't want anyone working on the vehicles without paying exorbitant subscription rates.
Whoa...that is a HUGE bummer. I hope it comes back
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