[Edinburra]

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[Broncho]

20 mph zones are ridiculous, have you ever actually done the 20 mph? I have, you feel like you can get out and walk faster and then you end up with somebody thinking you're slowing to park so try and overtake.

Besides any modern car at 30 mph can stop very quickly.

[Dr Forinor]

If it the rate of death/fatality has gone up, but it's too costly then it shows they don't really care about these deaths/fatalities?

Look at the number of speed cameras they put up "because it's a high risk area" and they want to decrease the risk, if they truly care the other way around then they would do something about it.

[Broncho]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Don't agree.

We have 20mph zones outside schools, which is a great idea and a 20mph zone in the village, where the road is tight and there are cars and pedestrians in close proximity.

That's great, especially outside schools but nobody does the 20mph.

[Dr Forinor]

There is a new school that has been built in Dundee, so they've adjusted the main road leading to it, 20mph zone with a gazillion speed bumps. Those horrible speeds bumps make you go slower than 20, either that or you just end up completely avoiding the road altogether.

As much as I absolutely detest those humps, I'd rather they stay there if it's enough to deter people from speeding. I would much prefer people going a whole lot slower than a schoolkid being injured/dying as a result of some pathetic idiot speeding past a school.

[Edinburra]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Don't agree.

We have 20mph zones outside schools, which is a great idea and a 20mph zone in the village, where the road is tight and there are cars and pedestrians in close proximity.

I’ve no problem with 20 mph zones outside School, Hospital, Fire Stations etc providing they are enforced. However when Councils impose an almost blanket 20 mph limit in their area that is in operation 24 hours per day it does not make any sense. In Edinburgh the local police do not have the resources to enforce such a limit 24 hours a day.

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by Broncho

That's great, especially outside schools but nobody does the 20mph.

I do. And not just outside schools but wherever they are.

And 30s and 40s and 50s.

I live in a village and it boils my piss the contempt drivers show at a 30 mph limit where mums, dads and children cross the road to get to parks and playgrounds.

What boils my piss more is the lack of councils or police caring about it.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Ah!!! Of course! Scotland. The Republic of SNATZI. Where stupidity is an everyday occurrence.

Have you clicked the new income tax rates for Scotland? Anyone earning over £30k is paying more than the rest of the uk.

[Edinburra]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Ah!!! Of course! Scotland. The Republic of SNATZI. Where stupidity is an everyday occurrence.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Lobb

My brother is just putting his house on the market, to move south of the border. He earns circa £150,000 and in his words " fuck 'em".

I know of another guy in a similar position now looking to move south of the border.

Socialism. It doesn't work.

I'll probably still move back when I retire, so hopefully the income tax won't be such an issue, but the increased stamp duty will be annoying, though offset by being able to have a stunning property with land for the price of our nice but dull 4 bed detached new build down here.

[4WDriver]

In the article:

"To my mind that's saying that people are being seriously hurt but we are not prepared to stump up the cash to stop that happening."

Actually it's worse. The council has spent £800k on a project that they now admit is killing people but they won't reverse their murderous decision on the grounds of affordability. Contempible.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

I do. And not just outside schools but wherever they are.

And 30s and 40s and 50s.

I live in a village and it boils my piss the contempt drivers show at a 30 mph limit where mums, dads and children cross the road to get to parks and playgrounds.

What boils my piss more is the lack of councils or police caring about it.

I think part of the reason some speed limits are held in contempt is because they're often felt to be inappropriate. Not so much 30mph limits that have always been a 30 - generally they're reasonable and I certainly try to respect them - but round our way quite a number of the 40's and 50's used to be 60's and have been reduced for what appears to be no good reason (no particular accident history, more likely just a few noisy local campaigners who have managed to turn the head of a councillor or two).

On one stretch our Safety Camera Partnership have been having an absolute field day issuing NIP's to people doing 46mph or more in what is now a 40 but always used to be a 60. Fortunately I haven't been one of them but I suspect many who've been caught would consider the approach to be more a case of raising easy revenue than genuinely caring about safety on our roads...

[DThr33]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Don't agree.

We have 20mph zones outside schools, which is a great idea and a 20mph zone in the village, where the road is tight and there are cars and pedestrians in close proximity.

I'm fine with them where it makes sense, but when you have boroughs in London making all roads 20mph for the sake of it it gets silly.

[Edinburra]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Have you clicked the new income tax rates for Scotland? Anyone earning over £30k is paying more than the rest of the uk.

It is in the words of our ruling class a redistribution of wealth, my wealth. However with a few sidesteps one can legally avoid much of this nonsense. Being retired is a bonus, but only for a few more years till they catch up.

Few of the so called politicians in the Holyrood administration are much better than local councillors. (I mustn't get started on this subject, so I'll stop now, promise)

[Danny Fireblade]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

I do. And not just outside schools but wherever they are.

And 30s and 40s and 50s.

I live in a village and it boils my piss the contempt drivers show at a 30 mph limit where mums, dads and children cross the road to get to parks and playgrounds.

What boils my piss more is the lack of councils or police caring about it.

It is generally the roads policing unit that has the speed cameras, and they do this speed control.

When you look at current RPU numbers, which are dire (3 cars for the whole county after a certain time, which is going down to 2), you have to understand that they can only be in one place at one time.

The RPU numbers are also being cut next year too, all thanks to having to save £21 million over three years. If you want the police from now on then I can only wish you good luck, as certain things will no doubt be removed from the list of what they attend now.

It’s all about threat, risk and harm. Score high enough on that matrix and you see a copper, otherwise you get an email with a reference number.

Or people pay more council tax directly to the police, which nobody will want to do.

[MarkG_M5Comp]

Originally Posted by Danny Fireblade

It is generally the roads policing unit that has the speed cameras, and they do this speed control.

When you look at current RPU numbers, which are dire (3 cars for the whole county after a certain time, which is going down to 2), you have to understand that they can only be in one place at one time.

The RPU numbers are also being cut next year too, all thanks to having to save £21 million over three years. If you want the police from now on then I can only wish you good luck, as certain things will no doubt be removed from the list of what they attend now.

It’s all about threat, risk and harm. Score high enough on that matrix and you see a copper, otherwise you get an email with a reference number.

Or people pay more council tax directly to the police, which nobody will want to do.

So that's good for SPEED then right?

Just to be clear.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by MarkG_M3CP

So that's good for SPEED then right?

Just to be clear.

There are certainly fewer traffic police on the roads but here in North Yorkshire their speed detection duties have been assumed mainly by a fleet of camera vans (and the size of that fleet seems to increase year on year). Therefore, I'd say the chances of receiving a NIP for speeding are actually higher than they were 10 years ago even though the number of traffic officers has reduced.

I'd also say our roads are no safer as a consequence of these changes (arguably quite the reverse as trained officers able to exercise judgement and discretion have been replaced with a technology-led yes/no approach to policing).

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by Danny Fireblade

It is generally the roads policing unit that has the speed cameras, and they do this speed control.

When you look at current RPU numbers, which are dire (3 cars for the whole county after a certain time, which is going down to 2), you have to understand that they can only be in one place at one time.

The RPU numbers are also being cut next year too, all thanks to having to save £21 million over three years. If you want the police from now on then I can only wish you good luck, as certain things will no doubt be removed from the list of what they attend now.

It’s all about threat, risk and harm. Score high enough on that matrix and you see a copper, otherwise you get an email with a reference number.

Or people pay more council tax directly to the police, which nobody will want to do.

In the last year I have seen mobile revenue generators on the a3 just north and south of our village, in a place there’s never really any accidents nor pedestrians.

Instead they could have been placed where they could make a difference less than 100 meters away on the main road into and out of the village slowing people in an area where it’s a matter of time before something nasty happens. And they’d most likely catch just as many people for their coffers.

That said the police can’t do anything permanent so it’s less their issue, the highways team at the council could easily put in some calming measures like they’ve done elsewhere (some in really dumb places) but they are useless buffoons.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

In the last year I have seen mobile revenue generators on the a3 just north and south of our village, in a place there’s never really any accidents nor pedestrians.

Instead they could have been placed where they could make a difference less than 100 meters away on the main road into and out of the village slowing people in an area where it’s a matter of time before something nasty happens. And they’d most likely catch just as many people for their coffers.

I think you've illustrated quite well what annoys so many people about the use of cameras! They were sold to the motoring public initially on the basis they'd be used to help reduce accidents at known blackspots but over time that's just morphed into them being deployed at places where they're most likely to earn revenue.

This probably explains why, despite a significant increase in the mobile camera fleet in North Yorkshire, the official statistics don't show any improvement in either the number of fatalities or critical injuries on the county's roads....

[Mr Whippy]

It all begs the question, where is the money going?

Government and councils are cutting everything but taxes are higher than ever.

It's clear we're in for some shitty decades ahead.

[F20MAW73]

I do always try to stick to these 20 mph speed limits and all speed limits in general these days.

I have calmed down a bit in this respect through age even though the cars I own seem to get bigger, better and faster!

Listening to the radio this week they were debating the 20 mph zones. One caller rang in to say he hit a young man at 20 mph and he just cart wheeled away from the incident without a scratch on him fortunately. Maybe if he had been travelling at 30 mph it would be a different story and could have been life changing for all involved.

[Soul_Glo]

We get a lot of accidents in our 20 zones here. I would say more than when it was 30. The 20 was introduced after 6 deaths in a year but so far there have been more than 10 disabling accidents and 3 deaths.