[Phatcat]

Looks like AMS couldn't decide which was better.

But the AMG was faster in the straight line in this test, let the controversy begin....

[CarlosM4]

Can anyone do a basic translation. From what I understood they took both to Hockenheim, but there was no laptime (probably coming out on the full edition comparo in May).

The E63S and M5 tied because they are pretty similar, Steering a little better in the AMG, Suspension is better on the M5, M5 slightly sharper, E63 better straight line performance, and Interior wise the AMG wins by a little, but the M5 is more comfortable. I understood something among those lines with shitty google translate. Anyone care to chime in their eventual translations.

And Phatcat thank you for posting. Pls keep posting these babies as they come in.

[onfireX5]

0.10 win for the AMG. Not bad. Fairly even rides.

[vtknight]

NO controversy...look at the tires...Pirelli P Zero. I have no idea why these tires are even offered. E63S had the PS4's. Identical to the Carwow haed to head. The US magazine - and US cars - gets the PS4's.

Regardless - 1 tenth either way - the cars are close. I mean the highest tier E63 is close to as quick and fast as the base F90 M5...

Lol.

[Kaisuke971]

Pirelli P Zero vs Michelin PS4S again ? I understand that they can't always use the same tires because some manufacturers develop a specific tire for their car and it becomes unfair if you change it, but here that's not the case since the M5 was presented with PS4S on.

But i'm not even sure if i should blame the magazines, why would BMW randomly send its press cars with different tires anyway ?

[elitex]

Close enough. This is probably the first time ever these two cars are this close to each other.

[F85FTW]

Originally Posted by vtknight

NO controversy...look at the tires...Pirelli P Zero. I have no idea why these tires are even offered. E63S had the PS4's. Identical to the Carwow haed to head. The US magazine - and US cars - gets the PS4's.

Regardless - 1 tenth either way - the cars are close. I mean the highest tier E63 is close to as quick and fast as the base F90 M5...

Lol.

The tires could help with the launch and making up that .1 gap for sure but it looks like the e63s is significantly faster after 200 kph where traction is not an issue.

I wonder if they will release an E63 R or black series later since they will obviously be outmatched by the CP m5. I remember seeing spyshots of a C63 R some time ago but nothing was released or announced as far as I know.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by F85FTW

The tires could help with the launch and making up that .1 gap for sure but it looks like the e63s is significantly faster after 200 kph where traction is not an issue.

I wonder if they will release an E63 R or black series later since they will obviously be outmatched by the CP m5. I remember seeing spyshots of a C63 R some time ago but nothing was released or announced as far as I know.

They are releasing an E63R - I'm not sure when - but it is in the pipe. The E63S should be quicker in the roll - so I am not surprised with mid-top end differences. But 0-60 and up to the 1/4 - the F90 will be quicker more times than not with equal tires. That said - it is quite close.

[neohh]

Originally Posted by Kaisuke971

Pirelli P Zero vs Michelin PS4S again ? I understand that they can't always use the same tires because some manufacturers develop a specific tire for their car and it becomes unfair if you change it, but here that's not the case since the M5 was presented with PS4S on.

But i'm not even sure if i should blame the magazines, why would BMW randomly send its press cars with different tires anyway ?

Maybe it’s a marketing tactic. They know that M5 even with Pirelli will be fairly even with e63s. They will be launching comp package soon and really need to make sure it beats the base M5 by a wider margin. (It will be more difficult if M5 is running 2.8 sec in all test) Once they launch the comp pack they will pair it with better tire to give it that additional 0.2 sec differential.

[BG23]

The E63s is heavier and has more torque - so it makes sense the lighter M5 looses any weight advantage at higher speeds. However it's interesting to note that the car wow roll race was basically dead even and you can see the BMW reached 149mph.

The obsession on "faster" with these 2 is probably a waste of time - they are both ridiculously fast with little separating them to make this the difference between buying either.

[F85FTW]

Originally Posted by vtknight

They are releasing an E63R - I'm not sure when - but it is in the pipe. The E63S should be quicker in the roll - so I am not surprised with mid-top end differences. But 0-60 and up to the 1/4 - the F90 will be quicker more times than not with equal tires. That said - it is quite close.

Agreed for the most part i think the F90 should edge out the acceleration portion since its 300 hundred pounds lighter. I remember the old rule of thumb that 100 pounds is worth around .1 in the quarter mile. In an unplanned street race not using launch control id think the m5 would have a clear advantage since torque converters are better for just stomp and go launches.

I guess they wont go down without a fight which is smart considering the CP M5 will beat the e63s easily. Now I wonder if BMW will counter the E63R with an M5 CS

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by F85FTW

Agreed for the most part i think the F90 should edge out the acceleration portion since its 300 hundred pounds lighter. I remember the old rule of thumb that 100 pounds is worth around .1 in the quarter mile. In an unplanned street race not using launch control id think the m5 would have a clear advantage since torque converters are better for just stomp and go launches.

I guess they wont go down without a fight which is smart considering the CP M5 will beat the e63s easily. Now I wonder if BMW will counter the E63R with an M5 CS

If my buddies at RC get off their arse, I'm going to counter it with another 50-60rwhp ! LOL...

[Goonba]

Originally Posted by vtknight

They are releasing an E63R - I'm not sure when - but it is in the pipe. The E63S should be quicker in the roll - so I am not surprised with mid-top end differences. But 0-60 and up to the 1/4 - the F90 will be quicker more times than not with equal tires. That said - it is quite close.

They will not be releasing an E63R.Tobias Moers has clearly stated that it would be an insult to expand the "R" brand to a sedan, it will only be on two door sports cars. What they may do is release an E73 which uses hybrid power, however this name has only been trademarked for the G73 and S73.

[Goonba]

Finally, an independent review (from Stuttgart) done properly.

- Both no panoramic roof
- Both sports seats
- Both ceramics
- Both equal petrol (can see in the youtube vid)

There isn't much in it until after 200km/h.

Both Pirelli and Michelin supply factory tires to both cars depending on market - in the UK the majority of E63s are supplied with Pirelli (unless you beg your dealer). In fact, at the press launch at the Estoril track, all E63s were on Pirellis.

This new review from CAR Magazine https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...5-2018-review/ seems to suggest that the M5 comes standard with Pirellis in the UK.

All hail one of the greatest V8s of all time. Unfortunately, the engine gets much more praise when its in an Aston.

And, aside from the cost of ownership crap, a resounding victory for the E63s

[elitex]

Resounding victory? That's what you got from it? What happened man? Did you buy an E63 and now need assurances that it's the best car? Let me tell you, it's a great car. No need to assure yourself.

These articles will keep popping up with one winning over the other. We know that there's no clear cut winner. Both do different things well and are very close in most aspects. Like I said before, choose your poison.

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by elitex

Resounding victory? That's what you got from it? What happened man? Did you buy an E63 and now need assurances that it's the best car? Let me tell you, it's a great car. No need to assure yourself.

These articles will keep popping up with one winning over the other. We know that there's no clear cut winner. Both do different things well and are very close in most aspects. Like I said before, choose your poison.

[neohh]

Originally Posted by elitex

Resounding victory? That's what you got from it? What happened man? Did you buy an E63 and now need assurances that it's the best car? Let me tell you, it's a great car. No need to assure yourself.

These articles will keep popping up with one winning over the other. We know that there's no clear cut winner. Both do different things well and are very close in most aspects. Like I said before, choose your poison.

Trying to spin a tie verdict into resounding victory while ignore all other reviews at the same time. That is the true definition of a fanboy.

[Goonba]

Originally Posted by neohh

Trying to spin a tie verdict into resounding victory while ignore all other reviews at the same time. That is the true definition of a fanboy.

Im being sarcastic and trolling some others here that kept banging on how the M5 is the best because car and driver got paid to make up some results.

I'm sure there will be plenty of reviews that say the M5 is amazing now that the proper comparisons are coming in.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by Goonba

Finally, an independent review (from Stuttgart) done properly.

- Both no panoramic roof
- Both sports seats
- Both ceramics
- Both equal petrol (can see in the youtube vid)

There isn't much in it until after 200km/h.

Both Pirelli and Michelin supply factory tires to both cars depending on market - in the UK the majority of E63s are supplied with Pirelli (unless you beg your dealer). In fact, at the press launch at the Estoril track, all E63s were on Pirellis.

This new review from CAR Magazine https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...5-2018-review/ seems to suggest that the M5 comes standard with Pirellis in the UK.

All hail one of the greatest V8s of all time. Unfortunately, the engine gets much more praise when its in an Aston.

And, aside from the cost of ownership crap, a resounding victory for the E63s

A resounding victory? One tenth? There isn’t much in it until after 200 km/hr? Both equal?

Lol.

Both cars may come with Pirelli - potentially - but literally one of the most important components - tires - was in the E63S’s favour. That car had the PS4’s. And with the CCB’s - that was even more critical for road course work.

I get it - you love you some MB E63S - and you love to come on BMW sites to say so. But...

I think someone is just a teeny, tiny biased.

[vtknight]

Originally Posted by Goonba

Im being sarcastic and trolling some others here that kept banging on how the M5 is the best because car and driver got paid to make up some results.

I'm sure there will be plenty of reviews that say the M5 is amazing now that the proper comparisons are coming in.

Put the conspiracy theories down - please.

Acting like only American magazines have special interests and Euro mags are without reproach.

Lol.