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      05-09-2018, 04:08 AM   #1
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M5 F90 Nurburgring lap time

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Amazing! Thanks for posting
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      05-09-2018, 06:40 AM   #3
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      05-09-2018, 08:26 AM   #4
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Right there with a Panamera Turbo, and better looking to boot.

I was hoping it would beat the Giula QV's time, but it looked like it didn't cope as well with the extra weight.

Very impressive though.
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      05-09-2018, 10:51 AM   #5
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Right there with a Panamera Turbo, and better looking to boot.

I was hoping it would beat the Giula QV's time, but it looked like it didn't cope as well with the extra weight.

Very impressive though.
To be fair this is SA's time which means it is an independent test. Pam Turbo's 7:38 is factory quoted time, where they have all the time in the world to tinker settings and chose the optimal condition to run on, and god knows how many laps they tried.

SA's test on the ring is two laps only, first lap warm up and second timed lap.

I'm sure BMW themselves can do better.

To give you an idea, BMW has quoted factory time for M4 GTS which was 7:28, SA's M4 GTS test they did 7:37.
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      05-09-2018, 03:47 PM   #6
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Great lap time. Beats the E63 S Wagon by 6.2s. The E63 S sedan would probably lose by 2 or 3s to the M5. Great results upon comparing with the Giulia and Panamera Turbo as well. The Panny Turbo would do at least 7:45 on the hands of SA pilot, and the Giulia would be slower than the 7:38. The M5 is the current big daddy of the saloons.
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      05-09-2018, 04:27 PM   #7
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The margin of driver error, even for a pro driver on the ring is a couple seconds. Remember, this is just the second lap in the car after a warm up, so it's a very real world time that a pro driver can repeatedly achieve. Anything SA tested around 7:36 - 7:40 would be a drivers race. So you know, your 458's, LFA's, GT-R's, Vette ZR1's all would make for a thrilling race against a 4250lb, five-seat sedan!!! Bravo BMW, bravo!
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To be fair this is SA's time which means it is an independent test. Pam Turbo's 7:38 is factory quoted time, where they have all the time in the world to tinker settings and chose the optimal condition to run on, and god knows how many laps they tried.

SA's test on the ring is two laps only, first lap warm up and second timed lap.

I'm sure BMW themselves can do better.

To give you an idea, BMW has quoted factory time for M4 GTS which was 7:28, SA's M4 GTS test they did 7:37.
This is a critical point. manufacturer times are usually the maximum possible for that car/platform as they are there for weeks at a time and running multiple runs with tweaking - and with professional drivers with a ton of Nurburgring experience. SA drivers are also very experienced - but they take the car as is - do TWO laps (warm up/flyer and then full lap) - no fiddling with the car - no multiple best laps over weeks.

That is a massive difference.
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The margin of driver error, even for a pro driver on the ring is a couple seconds. Remember, this is just the second lap in the car after a warm up, so it's a very real world time that a pro driver can repeatedly achieve. Anything SA tested around 7:36 - 7:40 would be a drivers race. So you know, your 458's, LFA's, GT-R's, Vette ZR1's all would make for a thrilling race against a 4250lb, five-seat sedan!!! Bravo BMW, bravo!
A 5+ yr old 2012 GTR AT 7:19 does MUCH better than this bloated M5 at 7:39. That’s 20 freak’n Seconds lol
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      05-31-2018, 11:23 PM   #10
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A 5+ yr old 2012 GTR AT 7:19 does MUCH better than this bloated M5 at 7:39. That’s 20 freak’n Seconds lol
You mean 7:34 for the GTR. You can’t compare factory times with Sport Auto Times, which you probably already know. ( 1 timed lap vs unlimited laps with an entire mechanical crew and plenty of tinkering) So.... 5 seconds away from a 2 seat, singular purpose $100k car. That’s why the 7:39 is so impressive. I can go to Costco with my family of 5 in a 7:39 car. I’m sure you can too in your Nissan Altima.
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You mean 7:34 for the GTR. You can’t compare factory times with Sport Auto Times, which you probably already know. ( 1 timed lap vs unlimited laps with an entire mechanical crew and plenty of tinkering) So.... 5 seconds away from a 2 seat, singular purpose $100k car. That’s why the 7:39 is so impressive. I can go to Costco with my family of 5 in a 7:39 car. I’m sure you can too in your Nissan Altima.
No, read my post- the 2012 does 7:19 and the Nismo 7:08. The 7:34 is for a 2009. Continual improvements is the GTR Moniker.

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18 Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18.1 Donkervoort D8 RS
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19 Radical SR3 Turbo
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.1 Nissan GT-R (2012)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.63 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2012)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:21 Ferrari 488 GTB 2016
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No, read my post- the 2012 does 7:19 and the Nismo 7:08. The 7:34 is for a 2009. Continual improvements is the GTR Moniker.

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18 Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18.1 Donkervoort D8 RS
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19 Radical SR3 Turbo
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.1 Nissan GT-R (2012)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.63 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2012)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:21 Ferrari 488 GTB 2016
We all know what you're saying.

However, what he's trying to tell you is that those are manufacturer quoted times on "stock" vehicles after countless lapping in likely perfect conditions by racecar drivers.

The M5s time was clocked independently of the manufacturer by a car magazine, on limited track time, random weather, on a customer car, and no BMW tech support. All that with a journalist driver, a clearly very good one though.

Do you see the difference?
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No, read my post- the 2012 does 7:19 and the Nismo 7:08. The 7:34 is for a 2009. Continual improvements is the GTR Moniker.

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18 Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18.1 Donkervoort D8 RS
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19 Radical SR3 Turbo
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.1 Nissan GT-R (2012)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.63 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2012)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:21 Ferrari 488 GTB 2016
Manufacturer vs independent testing. Worlds apart...
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Manufacturer vs independent testing. Worlds apart...
Irrelevant , it is 20-30s slower than the 7:19 and 7:08 of the GTR, a lifetime -or- ‘world’s apart’.

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Irrelevant , it is 20-30s slower than the 7:19 and 7:08 of the GTR, a lifetime -or- ‘world’s apart’.
Just curious why you care about the M5s times so much?
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Irrelevant , it is 20-30s slower than the 7:19 and 7:08 of the GTR, a lifetime -or- ‘world’s apart’.
It is not irrelevant. Manufacturers spend weeks at the Nurburgring - longer sometimes - do a ton of laps - have something to gain by getting a fantastic lap - and it is completely unregulated.

Sport Auto on the other hand usually does TWO laps - and takes the time. Has no interest in one car doing well or not well - and does this for all cars.

You keep comparing the two. Don't. Compare SA vs SA - and then chime in.
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It is not irrelevant. Manufacturers spend weeks at the Nurburgring - longer sometimes - do a ton of laps - have something to gain by getting a fantastic lap - and it is completely unregulated.

Sport Auto on the other hand usually does TWO laps - and takes the time. Has no interest in one car doing well or not well - and does this for all cars.

You keep comparing the two. Don't. Compare SA vs SA - and then chime in.
It is irrelevant because the few seconds they MAY gain will still have the M5 15+ seconds behind, a world apart....
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It is irrelevant because the few seconds they MAY gain will still have the M5 15+ seconds behind, a world apart....
Well, with a 2011 GTR the difference was pretty significant between Sport Auto and Nissan. Sport Auto logged a 7:34 on a dry track and Nissan logged a 7:24 on a wet track. Nissan shaved another 6 seconds off that on a dry track.

BMW should have no problem breaking the 7:30 mark.

Last try...They got the same time as the M5 with a Ferrari 458. If you’re not impressed with that time from a 4250lb 5 seat sedan, there is nothing more we can say to you.

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Well, with a 2011 GTR the difference was pretty significant between Sport Auto and Nissan. Sport Auto logged a 7:34 on a dry track and Nissan logged a 7:24 on a wet track. Nissan shaved another 6 seconds off that on a dry track.

BMW should have no problem breaking the 7:30 mark.

Last try...They got the same time as the M5 with a Ferrari 458. If you’re not impressed with that time from a 4250lb 5 seat sedan, there is nothing more we can say to you.
Even at 7:30 it is over 10s behind a stock 2012 GTR, and I doubt it will even achieve that....

Doesn’t the Panamera Turbo achieve the same time as the M5 with almost 200lbs more weight? Lol
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Even at 7:30 it is over 10s behind a stock 2012 GTR, and I doubt it will even achieve that....

Doesn’t the Panamera Turbo achieve the same time as the M5 with almost 200lbs more weight? Lol
And then was the Competion Package.

Really still debating the 16+ foot, 4500+ lb, four door, luxury GT car with massaging seats vs a purpose built performance car 10 seconds - maybe - quicker - over a 13 MILE road course?

Cool story.
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Even at 7:30 it is over 10s behind a stock 2012 GTR, and I doubt it will even achieve that....

Doesn’t the Panamera Turbo achieve the same time as the M5 with almost 200lbs more weight? Lol
Same time by factory effort with a track prepped car with a rollcage, unknown tyres, unknown power figure, several lap attempts etc. Compared to a magazine lap time set with a customer car on the first attempt.
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