[Kief]

So with the ordering guides revealed yesterday, many of us who were excited for the 40i, were extremely disappointed by the omission of the Dynamic Handling Package (DHP). It is available for the 50i, but not the 40i. The most critical component of DHP is the Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) given the X5's mass/higher center of gravity.

Since the introduction of the 2008 E70 X5, a form of DHP/ARS has always been available either embedded in a package (Sport/M Sport Pack) or individually as a Priority 1.

The following pics provide a timeline of the evolution of DHP, with the introduction of the E70 back in 2008 and what was referred to at that time as Adaptive Drive/Electronic Damping Control (2VA). This was part of the Sport Package (ZSP).

In 2011, with the E70 X5 LCI (and depending on the trim level), 2VA became part of the M Sport Package (ZMP) or individually as a Priority 1 option (for example the X5 35d did not include Adaptive Drive (2VA) as part of that M Sport Package, but you could still order 2VA individually).

In 2014, with the introduction of the F15 X5, the Dynamic Handling Package (DHP/2VP) was available from the start.

It really makes no sense why BMWNA is not offering DHP with the introduction of the G05 X5 40i given its historical availability on 6cyl models.

[arciga18]

I feel your pain.


I could somehow squeeze my way into a lightly optioned 40i but the 50i is way out of my league financially.

Hopefully this changes / is a mistake.

EDIT. *** To clarify, I don't think the 50i is problem for you financially. That's a me problem. LOL

[Kief]

Originally Posted by arciga18

I feel your pain.


I could somehow squeeze my way into a lightly optioned 40i but the 50i is way out of my league financially.

Hopefully this changes / is a mistake.

EDIT. *** To clarify, I don't think the 50i is problem for you financially. That's a me problem. LOL

Lol, no need to clarify...and my wifey isn't game with the price of admission for 50i (me on the other hand...)

But really, one would be foolish to get the 50i when it's just going to be the '19MY run, and next year '20MY it becomes the M50i with the increased specs.

[Cavman]

Holding out a small bit of hope that BMW will come to their senses and offer the DHP on the 40i before production starts in August, or, at the very least, when they add a few of the other packages (12/18) or (4/19).

I have had the 50i, and it is a monster. But, the gas mileage and the range were lower than the 35i/40i, and the price was significantly higher. It's also considerably louder at startup/idle/driving (which some may like, but my wife and I did not).

BMW, if you are reading these message boards, PLEASE allow the ordering of the Dynamic Handling Package on the 40i as soon as possible.

Would encourage others interested in the DHP on the 40i to call their SAs and ask them to request the option from corporate. Not sure if it will help, but can't hurt. I have passed along my request, displeasure, and frustration to our longtime SA. He also thought it was a strange omission.

[secretanchitman]

Thanks for making a separate post about this! DHP *needs* to be an option on the X5 40i - there is literally no reason for this to only be exclusive on the 50i considering the F15 and previous E70 had it on the 6 cylinder models respectively.

DHP has done wonders for our F10 550i xDrive and I would not purchase another BMW without it - it's really that good.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by secretanchitman

Thanks for making a separate post about this! DHP *needs* to be an option on the X5 40i - there is literally no reason for this to only be exclusive on the 50i considering the F15 and previous E70 had it on the 6 cylinder models respectively.

DHP has done wonders for our F10 550i xDrive and I would not purchase another BMW without it - it's really that good.

Well it appears it's only you, me, and Cavman who are advocating and fans...no wonder BMWNA isn't offering it on the 40i! Haha j/k

At this point, I'm more eager to find out why it isn't being offered. It's gotta be a misprint??

Any client advisors around NH_F36 who can speak of the accuracy of newly released ordering guides on a brand new model? From your experience, have revisions been made to the guides up until SOP??

I think I could eventually convince my wife to go with the 50i (it's her car after all ), but as I mentioned in an earlier post above, I'd be foolish to get the 2019 X5 50i, when the following model year, it morphs into the 2020 M50i. It's not that I have to jump into a new BMW this year, but the value of our 2018 X3 M40i will be just that much less.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

2020 G05 X5
- sDrive40i
- xDrive45e
- xDrive M50i (530hp replacing xDrive50i)
[*]Both G05 X5 and G07 X7 xDrive50i will replace their launch version of N63 (456hp) with the same new 530hp engine and become X5/X7 M50i. Here's finally your explanation why they were sticking with "xDrive50i": "M50i" was reserved for the more powerful engine.[/list]

[arciga18]

No no no. Add my name to the list too.

This would be my wife's daily driver so she really doesn't need the 50i.

[perry8912]

Yeah, Having test driven a car without DHP extensively and owning one with DHP, I cannot stress enough as to how much of a difference DHP makes to a vehicle of this size.

However, bmw already given a power boost to 40i on the new x5, so it’s time they decide to sacrifice something.

Otherwise, who will buy a 50i if 40i has everything?! It’s all marketing.

[Tlon]

Felt the exact same way when they removed Active Steering from the X5. It was apparently not that popular an option but it was, IMHO, the single most important option for making the large, heavy X5 feel nimble, especially in situations where you needed to maneuver quickly. It's difficult to explain to those who didn't have it how important it is to the feel of the car. I had it on two X5s and the one without it was a beast to drive. Frankly, one of the reasons I held on to my 2015 F15 is because it was the last model with active steering.

I never had DHP, so I'm sure it's a similar feeling for those who are used to it. If you don't have it -- and I never saw one or was able to drive one on a dealer lot with it -- I'm sure it does feel like a huge loss. Given all the hype on this board, I was definitely planning on trying DHP in my next X5. Bummer.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by arciga18

No no no. Add my name to the list too.

This would be my wife's daily driver so she really doesn't need the 50i.

You ever going to tell me the story about your X3 M40i buyback??? Wifey doesn't want another one?

[arciga18]

Originally Posted by Kief

You ever going to tell me the story about your X3 M40i buyback??? Wifey doesn't want another one?

Dude that's the other guy. I was just leaving a paper trail.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by arciga18

Dude that's the other guy. I was just leaving a paper trail.

So why u looking to unload the M40i so soon?

[Kief]

FYI to all the DHP fans...

Originally Posted by Kief

NH_F36 thank you for all the great info. I know you have another Thread to ask CA questions, but this info seems to be from a recent training CAs experienced, so my question below may have been discussed as part of the training (?)

Any reason given (or chance of it being added as an MY19 option) why the Dynamic Handling Package was excluded from the 40i?

Originally Posted by NH_F36

I asked and I was told it was because of the low percentage of take rate on the 35i model.

[secretanchitman]

I get it, but why offer it on the 540i? I'm sure there is a low take rate on that model too...

[jiggz]

Originally Posted by Kief

FYI to all the DHP fans...

This 2nd quote is exactly what I was thinking when I saw this thread. We're enthusiasts in here and like stuff like DHP, but there's gotta be such a small % of people who would actually pay the premium for this package, that I can see why BMW wouldn't offer it.

I look all the time at F15's for sale, mostly for fun, and decode tons of VINs, and DHP is super rare, especially on the 35i. I see a few 50i's with it every once in awhile.

Probably same situation with 3rd row on the new G05 - not a real popular/common option on both the E70 or F15, to the point they are no longer offering it on the 50i, only the 40i.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by jiggz

This 2nd quote is exactly what I was thinking when I saw this thread. We're enthusiasts in here and like stuff like DHP, but there's gotta be such a small % of people who would actually pay the premium for this package, that I can see why BMW wouldn't offer it.

I look all the time at F15's for sale, mostly for fun, and decode tons of VINs, and DHP is super rare, especially on the 35i. I see a few 50i's with it every once in awhile.

Probably same situation with 3rd row on the new G05 - not a real popular/common option on both the E70 or F15, to the point they are no longer offering it on the 50i, only the 40i.

Any chance locating me an '18 F15 50i w/DHP near Philly?

I'm considering a CPO X5M but I think I'm too OCD and anal to purchase used! I test drove one this morning and loved it, but it was too beaten up IMO for what they were asking

[jiggz]

Originally Posted by Kief

Any chance locating me an '18 F15 50i w/DHP near Philly?

I'm considering a CPO X5M but I think I'm too OCD and anal to purchase used! I test drove one this morning and loved it, but it was too beaten up IMO for what they were asking

In my experience there are very few 'new' X5s sitting on dealer lots with DHP. Most DHP equipped X5s were likely ordered by a customer that way so they aren't typically listed on a dealer website.

I like the CPO page on BMWUSA.com a lot, I've found both of my current cars there. Only 4 2018 50i's listed right now, none have DHP, but there's several 2017's that have that package. But sounds like you want new?

CPO vehicles are pretty safe I think. My current X5 was CPO'd and I bought it sight unseen and had it shipped to me - it was in near mint condition when it arrived. Vehicle must pass a number of maintenance and condition tests to meet CPO criteria.

Not near Philly (Illinois) but this 2017 is really well optioned, including DHP - only 5600 miles...

http://cpo.bmwusa.com/used/2017-BMW-...3764?zip=98028

[arciga18]

Wow. I love that X5 you pointed out. 30 minute drive from Chicago

Might go test drive it.

I

[Jenya B]

DHP must have !

[JayPichardo]

Originally Posted by Kief

Any chance locating me an '18 F15 50i w/DHP near Philly?

I'm considering a CPO X5M but I think I'm too OCD and anal to purchase used! I test drove one this morning and loved it, but it was too beaten up IMO for what they were asking

Princeton BMW has two

[gmag]

Originally Posted by Jenya B

DHP must have !

Has anyone gotten a chance to read the first pre-production press-drive reviews of the all new 2020 Mercedes GLE 450?

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...totype-review/

After reading this Motor Trend review, it looks like this new GLE when equipped with the air suspension, E-Active Body Control and Sport Package is going to really "stick it" (in terms of refinement & handling) to the new (G05) BMW X5 this time around! Maybe BMW needs to reconsider their decision not to even offer DHP (which includes the active ant-roll bar system) on the X5 xDrive40i which will be the most popular X5 model in the U.S!

[Influence]

Originally Posted by gmag

Has anyone gotten a chance to read the first pre-production press-drive reviews of the all new 2020 Mercedes GLE 450?

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...totype-review/

After reading this Motor Trend review, it looks like this new GLE when equipped with the air suspension, E-Active Body Control and Sport Package is going to really "stick it" (in terms of refinement & handling) to the new (G05) BMW X5 this time around! Maybe BMW needs to reconsider their decision not to even offer DHP (which includes the active ant-roll bar system) on the X5 xDrive40i which will be the most popular X5 model in the U.S!

read this earlier today and I have to say I'm not surprised. Even the current gen GLE43 with the active curve control system is a nice driving SUV. Is it better than the F15 with MSport and Dynamic Handling Packages? It definitely is pretty close (I've driven both, but months apart so it is tough to say which is better). Frankly, the base GLE43 is pretty darn good too (way better than a base MSport F15, at least until you add at the 2VF Adaptive Dampers).

From the spy pics I've seen thus far, the new W167 GLE is pretty aggressive looking too. BMW definitely has a fight on their hands with this one. I will assume that MB will make the trick suspension systems available on the GLE450 - at least judging by this early prototype test. Now if only BMW will do the same and give us the DHP on the 40i.