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      12-15-2018, 08:09 PM   #1
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I was in the BMW showroom for G20 presentation and find out that the new 320d engine will be equipped with two turbos. Actually, they added one small turbo for better response in low range.
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This is an American forum so you will only get tumbleweed in response to this message.

I noted that the economy went up again with this generation. So again with the tumbleweed.
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This is an American forum so you will only get tumbleweed in response to this message.

I noted that the economy went up again with this generation. So again with the tumbleweed.
I tought this is BMW world forum. I can see here many users from Europe.
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They are able to increase the performance with the weight reduction. I just wish they would have higher output with the twin turbo set up. Too bad we won't have this engine in Canada.
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I was in the BMW showroom for G20 presentation and find out that the new 320d engine will be equipped with two turbos. Actually, they added one small turbo for better response in low range.
As I posted in another topic, besides the better delivery helps emissions (WLTP test) as well.
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I was in the BMW showroom for G20 presentation and find out that the new 320d engine will be equipped with two turbos. Actually, they added one small turbo for better response in low range.
Why do you all buy diesel cars over there? They sound like shit, after a few miles start smoking black and aren't particularly fast.
Are they that much cheaper or double MPG? You're buying a BMW are you paying tatt close of an attention to fuel economy?
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I tought this is BMW world forum. I can see here many users from Europe.
In context, a small number. It's an English language forum, and is dominated by people who have the easiest (i.e. cheapest) access to high-power-output, well-equipped BMWs around the world. As a rule, no-one here is interested in what BMW is, or does, in its home markets with "lower order" cars.
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Why do you all buy diesel cars over there? They sound like shit, after a few miles start smoking black and aren't particularly fast.
Are they that much cheaper or double MPG? You're buying a BMW are you paying tatt close of an attention to fuel economy?
Running costs... simple as that. It is why we have MT in the smaller output models, keeps the cost down, AT is more expensive.

Also got to remember many BMW 3-series are company cars, "repmobiles" as we often term them over here. Tax advantages (BIK), based on CO2 emissions, "advantage diesel". The 4-pot diesels can save the user decent money each year, on tax alone.

Petrol BMWs (particularly the bigger engines) are a limited buy over here. I run a 535i, as rare as hen's teeth. Never seen another F11 535i wagon in the 6+ years I've had mine. Most 5-series are 520d models, for the same reasons as the 3/4 series..
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Why do you all buy diesel cars over there? They sound like shit, after a few miles start smoking black and aren't particularly fast.
Are they that much cheaper or double MPG? You're buying a BMW are you paying tatt close of an attention to fuel economy?
Because we're poor in the old world, at £6 a gallon (even with a weak pound that's $7.55) if you do high mileage it can be the difference between spending £600 a month or £300 a month.

Over a year that adds up.
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I was in the BMW showroom for G20 presentation and find out that the new 320d engine will be equipped with two turbos. Actually, they added one small turbo for better response in low range.
Why do you all buy diesel cars over there? They sound like shit, after a few miles start smoking black and aren't particularly fast.
Are they that much cheaper or double MPG? You're buying a BMW are you paying tatt close of an attention to fuel economy?
Maybe it's time you start travelling in others parts of the world. Not everybody live like Americans.
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I was in the BMW showroom for G20 presentation and find out that the new 320d engine will be equipped with two turbos. Actually, they added one small turbo for better response in low range.
Why do you all buy diesel cars over there? They sound like shit, after a few miles start smoking black and aren't particularly fast.
Are they that much cheaper or double MPG? You're buying a BMW are you paying tatt close of an attention to fuel economy?
You are wrong my friend. It is not about economy at all. Diesel engines pull better in low rpm and they are cleaner today. My exaust tips are clean as new one (I will post picture). Here, the diesel fuel is more expensive than petrol (20%), there is no economy in diesel BMW in my country.
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Good to know , thanks guys
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Because we're poor in the old world, at £6 a gallon (even with a weak pound that's $7.55) if you do high mileage it can be the difference between spending £600 a month or £300 a month.

Over a year that adds up.
Rich American will class you as pauper undeserving of luxury brand badge like BMW
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It’s quite simple for us in England! Sheer cost of fuel! When I was in Florida a few month back I paid around $2 per gallon in England we pay the equivalent of $8 per gallon so it all adds up!
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I tought this is BMW world forum. I can see here many users from Europe.
In context, a small number. It's an English language forum, and is dominated by people who have the easiest (i.e. cheapest) access to high-power-output, well-equipped BMWs around the world. As a rule, no-one here is interested in what BMW is, or does, in its home markets with "lower order" cars.
Diesel BMW are not "lower order" cars. In Europe people buy diesel totally loaded (and it is much expensive than American versions - i.e. X5 M50d is around 160.000 USD). Second, we drive much faster on the highway than Americans, way beyond 100mph. If You drive 125mph diesel double MPG (12l/100km instead 24l/100km). BMW is German brand and yet they buy 70% diesel cars (very good equipped).
Kind regards my American colegue.
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Diesel BMW are not "lower order" cars. In Europe people buy diesel totally loaded (and it is much expensive than American versions - i.e. X5 M50d is around 160.000 USD). Second, we drive much faster on the highway than Americans, way beyond 100mph. If You drive 125mph diesel double MPG (12l/100km instead 24l/100km). BMW is German brand and yet they buy 70% diesel cars (very good equipped).
I put "lower order" in quotes, as that is how they are seen on this forum, relatively speaking. What's funny is that for all this obsession with power, the ones driving at 170-200 km/h steadily, reliably day in day out are Europeans buying 320ds which are doing under 3,000 rpm at those speeds.

Good point about diesel economy at high highway speeds. Regardless of the car, petrol economy seems to fall off sharply above 160-170 km/h whereas diesels in my limited experience are less affected. Diesels are not my cup of tea at all, but there's no denying their effectiveness at speed. Good thing too, because 50% of global 3 series production is the 320d. They simply can't get that wrong!
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I put "lower order" in quotes, as that is how they are seen on this forum, relatively speaking. What's funny is that for all this obsession with power, the ones driving at 170-200 km/h steadily, reliably day in day out are Europeans buying 320ds which are doing under 3,000 rpm at those speeds.

Good point about diesel economy at high highway speeds. Regardless of the car, petrol economy seems to fall off sharply above 160-170 km/h whereas diesels in my limited experience are less affected. Diesels are not my cup of tea at all, but there's no denying their effectiveness at speed. Good thing too, because 50% of global 3 series production is the 320d. They simply can't get that wrong!
I agree 200%. Although, I am thinking to get 430i as a next car, but I want to test drive them both (420d and 430i). And believe me, every modern BMW, petrol or diesel is a high-tech machine. Better than almost everything

P.S. My 420d consums less than 10l/100km at 200kmh
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I agree 200%. Although, I am thinking to get 430i as a next car, but I want to test drive them both (420d and 430i). And believe me, every modern BMW, petrol or diesel is a high-tech machine. Better than almost everything

P.S. My 420d consums less than 10l/100km at 200kmh
I would love to test drive a 320D with 6MT just to form an opinion
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They are able to increase the performance with the weight reduction. I just wish they would have higher output with the twin turbo set up. Too bad we won't have this engine in Canada.
An engine with the same peak power figures as an older single turbo engine, could easily be more powerful, faster, and have a broader torque curve with a sequential turbo setup. Peak horsepower is a very one dimensional measure of engine power. The difference a dual turbo setup could give might not be immediately obvious in the peak power figures.
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I would love to test drive a 320D with 6MT just to form an opinion
Having done so many times, (E9x model forward), believe me, most would opt for the AT out of choice. The 20d works so much better attached to the AT. Can be very thrashy in MT form, particularly starting off, accelerating through the gears. AT gives the more refined drivetrain. The 30d engines are much more refined, but still favour the AT.
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Having done so many times, (E9x model forward), believe me, most would opt for the AT out of choice. The 20d works so much better attached to the AT. Can be very thrashy in MT form, particularly starting off, accelerating through the gears. AT gives the more refined drivetrain. The 30d engines are much more refined, but still favour the AT.
Agree. I had 530d E39 with MT. Not recommended. Diesel engines are better with AT.
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I noted that the economy went up again with this generation. So again with the tumbleweed.

Very much a global forum with a good turn out from everywhere you can buy a bmw.
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