[gr4z]

No matter what your views on Brexit, this serves as a warning. With the Brexit party up in the polls, the danger for the UK is Comrade Corbyn and his abysmal cronies could get in at the next GE. What a thought.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by gr4z

No matter what your views on Brexit, this serves as a warning. With the Brexit party up in the polls, the danger for the UK is Comrade Corbyn and his abysmal cronies could get in at the next GE. What a thought.

Being asked to choose between Corbyn and Boris is like being asked which leg you want to lose. They are both hypocritical self-serving populist c*nts.

[gr4z]

Originally Posted by JD6

Being asked to choose between Corbyn and Boris is like being asked which leg you want to lose. They are both hypocritical self-serving populist c*nts.

Perhaps, my point was around the entire party. At least with the Tories they have a (faint) idea of what is needed, putting aside their in fighting.

Can you really imagine Comrade Corbyn turning up at the G8 and being treated seriously? Can you really expect McDonnell to run the finances (using the Marx book as a reference) and Abbot running Home Office? Dear God, help us all.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by gr4z

Perhaps, my point was around the entire party. At least with the Tories they have a (faint) idea of what is needed, putting aside their in fighting.

Can you really imagine Comrade Corbyn turning up at the G8 and being treated seriously? Can you really expect McDonnell to run the finances (using the Marx book as a reference) and Abbot running Home Office? Dear God, help us all.

No - I share your concerns about Corbyn, and the idea of Diane Abbott in any position of authority is frightening. I'm just trying to weigh up a term of Corbynism against a potential no deal Brexit. Both pretty dreadful, but I genuinely don't know which is more damaging.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by gr4z

No matter what your views on Brexit, this serves as a warning. With the Brexit party up in the polls, the danger for the UK is Comrade Corbyn and his abysmal cronies could get in at the next GE. What a thought.

Hard to read too much into one result but if the Brexit Party couldn't manage to win the Peterborough by-election I'm not convinced how much of a force they'll actually be in a General Election. From what I understand the vote in Peterborough in the 2016 referendum was around 60% for Leave and the by-election had been caused by the sitting Labour MP ultimately getting the heave-ho after going to prison for Perverting the Course of Justice. All in all, then, it doesn't get to look much better than that from TBP's point of view yet still they couldn't win.

Therefore, while I can see they might muster enough votes to win a handful of seats in a GE, some of the media talk about them potentially winning is pie in the sky in my view. Can they split the vote sufficiently to let Labour in? Not entirely convinced about that either although I agree wholeheartedly that a Corbyn government would be a disaster for the UK.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Hard to read too much into one result but if the Brexit Party couldn't manage to win the Peterborough by-election I'm not convinced how much of a force they'll actually be in a General Election. From what I understand the vote in Peterborough in the 2016 referendum was around 60% for Leave and the by-election had been caused by the sitting Labour MP ultimately getting the heave-ho after going to prison for Perverting the Course of Justice. All in all, then, it doesn't get to look much better than that from TBP's point of view yet still they couldn't win.

Therefore, while I can see they might muster enough votes to win a handful of seats in a GE, some of the media talk about them potentially winning is pie in the sky in my view. Can they split the vote sufficiently to let Labour in? Not entirely convinced about that either although I agree wholeheartedly that a Corbyn government would be a disaster for the UK.

I guess whether they can split the Tory vote might depend on whether Labour reach a decision on what they stand for on Brexit before a GE... if they do, their vote might get split too!

Apparently they fought the election on local issues - presumably because they haven't declared their policy on national issues yet!

[TouringPleb]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Hard to read too much into one result but if the Brexit Party couldn't manage to win the Peterborough by-election I'm not convinced how much of a force they'll actually be in a General Election. From what I understand the vote in Peterborough in the 2016 referendum was around 60% for Leave and the by-election had been caused by the sitting Labour MP ultimately getting the heave-ho after going to prison for Perverting the Course of Justice. All in all, then, it doesn't get to look much better than that from TBP's point of view yet still they couldn't win.

Therefore, while I can see they might muster enough votes to win a handful of seats in a GE, some of the media talk about them potentially winning is pie in the sky in my view. Can they split the vote sufficiently to let Labour in? Not entirely convinced about that either although I agree wholeheartedly that a Corbyn government would be a disaster for the UK.

I think the Brexit party will split the Tory vote. If you look at the numbers, Labour won with 31% of the vote, with TBP second on 29% and then the Tories on 21%.

So pro-Brexit parties had 40% of the vote but split it giving Labour just enough to take the seat. I know people vote slightly differently in by-elections and general elections, if this was replicated across the country Comrade Corbyn will be moving into Number 10.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

I think the Brexit party will split the Tory vote. If you look at the numbers, Labour won with 31% of the vote, with TBP second on 29% and then the Tories on 21%.

So pro-Brexit parties had 40% of the vote but split it giving Labour just enough to take the seat. I know people vote slightly differently in by-elections and general elections, if this was replicated across the country Comrade Corbyn will be moving into Number 10.

If Labour get off the fence and supports Remain at a GE it will be interesting to see what that does for their support in a lot of their traditional strongholds in the North (many of which voted Leave in 2016). Personally I think Labour could lose support to TBP up there if they campaign on a Remain platform but they may think that's a gamble worth taking if extra votes from the Shiraz Socialists down South counters the effect of losing the beer drinkers up North!

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by gr4z

Perhaps, my point was around the entire party. At least with the Tories they have a (faint) idea of what is needed, putting aside their in fighting.

Can you really imagine Comrade Corbyn turning up at the G8 and being treated seriously? Can you really expect McDonnell to run the finances (using the Marx book as a reference) and Abbot running Home Office? Dear God, help us all.

I would never vote Labour with Corbyn or the like in charge. But I think it's delusional to think the Tories are any better or have any more idea.

Has any sitting government led a country into such a political, social and economical mess? I doubt it. The only reason they're still in power is because the un-votable are leading the opposition. A more centrist Labour Party would have had them at the last election.

The Tories are now moving down to their 3rd choice of leader, after Cameron and May went on their ways. It's not always the brightest and most inspiring people that head into politics in the first place. I don't really think a third choice leader will cut it, whoever it ends up being.

[gr4z]

Originally Posted by Goneinsixtyseconds

I would never vote Labour with Corbyn or the like in charge. But I think it's delusional to think the Tories are any better or have any more idea.

Has any sitting government led a country into such a political, social and economical mess? I doubt it. The only reason they're still in power is because the un-votable are leading the opposition. A more centrist Labour Party would have had them at the last election.

The Tories are now moving down to their 3rd choice of leader, after Cameron and May went on their ways. It's not always the brightest and most inspiring people that head into politics in the first place. I don't really think a third choice leader will cut it, whoever it ends up being.

Completely agree with you. The entire shower in the Houses of Parliament at the moment are an embarrassment to this country no matter what your view on Brexit.

If there was a GE tomorrow I would vote 'none of the above'. However, to do that would heighten the chance of Comrade Corbyn getting in and that would lead to utter ruin for the UK.

[JNW1]

An interesting read if you've got 10 minutes or so to spare.....

https://www.conservativehome.com/pla...their-own.html

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by JD6

No - I share your concerns about Corbyn, and the idea of Diane Abbott in any position of authority is frightening. I'm just trying to weigh up a term of Corbynism against a potential no deal Brexit. Both pretty dreadful, but I genuinely don't know which is more damaging.

No distinction. A hard brexit would destroy the economy. A Corbyn govt would destroy the economy. The end.

[ian332isport]

Originally Posted by JD6

No - I share your concerns about Corbyn, and the idea of Diane Abbott in the missionary position is frightening. I'm just trying to weigh up a term of Corbynism against a potential no deal Brexit. Both pretty dreadful, but I genuinely don't know which is more damaging.

Fixed that for you