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      08-14-2019, 07:01 AM   #1
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330e reviews are in, and they're great!

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...0e-2019-review

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/3-...0e-2019-review

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...s-330e-hybrid/

Sounds like it really builds on what the previous one offers, with much better electric range, and a tad more performance too.

I'm now really looking forward to getting mine.
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...0e-2019-review

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/3-...0e-2019-review

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...s-330e-hybrid/

Sounds like it really builds on what the previous one offers, with much better electric range, and a tad more performance too.

I'm now really looking forward to getting mine.
Car Mag review puts me off, seems the batteries take all the fun out of the car ? Less luggage room etc. I can see benefit if you drive in central London otherwise difficult to make the case
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Car Mag review puts me off, seems the batteries take all the fun out of the car ? Less luggage room etc. I can see benefit if you drive in central London otherwise difficult to make the case
I think it depends what you're comparing it to. Other than the 6 pot engines I wouldn't consider any other drivetrain for a typical daily driver. We've lived with a F30 330e for 80k miles and absolutely love it, so the G20 one seems to really move it forward in terms of overall handling, much better use of batteries for torque fill and throttle response, and the greater battery range means that I can see my average fuel consumption going from mid to high 40s to 50-60mpg, even over a 70 mile commute. Electric power isn't just for London, it's a lovely driving experience in lots of situations.

However, I do also have an M4 for fun drives, and we have an estate in the household if we really need the extra practicality. My 330e mainly carries me, plus some bags and some golf clubs occasionally... 380 litres is plenty.
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...0e-2019-review

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/3-...0e-2019-review

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...s-330e-hybrid/

Sounds like it really builds on what the previous one offers, with much better electric range, and a tad more performance too.

I'm now really looking forward to getting mine.
Car Mag review puts me off, seems the batteries take all the fun out of the car ? Less luggage room etc. I can see benefit if you drive in central London otherwise difficult to make the case
Hmm, they're good but not "great" but they ignore the massive financial benefits of the low BIK, especially from 2020 onwards. That in itself is my major buying driver. I'm not going to go hacking around B roads at 80 mph slinging the rear end out (those days long gone...) but something cheap-ish to run, decent to drive and reducing the environmental impact is important. Oh, and the fast if you need it bit will be nice from time to time :-). The 2nd gen is still massively compromised but it's better than the last gen. Progress for you...
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Autogefuhl video review


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Hmm, they're good but not "great" but they ignore the massive financial benefits of the low BIK, especially from 2020 onwards. That in itself is my major buying driver. I'm not going to go hacking around B roads at 80 mph slinging the rear end out (those days long gone...) but something cheap-ish to run, decent to drive and reducing the environmental impact is important. Oh, and the fast if you need it bit will be nice from time to time :-). The 2nd gen is still massively compromised but it's better than the last gen. Progress for you...
Autoexpress and Autocar both give 4.5 stars, which is pretty great, and not at all common. The car rating of 3 stars seems reflective of an innate bias more than any kind of objectivity. In the context of a typical family saloon car, even a BMW one, the feelgood factor for lots of people will come from the hybrid capabilities as much as whether it hustles like a sports car down a B road. I can understand that Evo would review a car from that context, but less so Car magazine. For many folk a car that can be used for days on end for commuting on electric power alone, yet avoid range anxiety, take it's attractiveness beyond just that of BIK tax efficiency.
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Hmm, they're good but not "great" but they ignore the massive financial benefits of the low BIK, especially from 2020 onwards. That in itself is my major buying driver. I'm not going to go hacking around B roads at 80 mph slinging the rear end out (those days long gone...) but something cheap-ish to run, decent to drive and reducing the environmental impact is important. Oh, and the fast if you need it bit will be nice from time to time :-). The 2nd gen is still massively compromised but it's better than the last gen. Progress for you...
Autoexpress and Autocar both give 4.5 stars, which is pretty great, and not at all common. The car rating of 3 stars seems reflective of an innate bias more than any kind of objectivity. In the context of a typical family saloon car, even a BMW one, the feelgood factor for lots of people will come from the hybrid capabilities as much as whether it hustles like a sports car down a B road. I can understand that Evo would review a car from that context, but less so Car magazine. For many folk a car that can be used for days on end for commuting on electric power alone, yet avoid range anxiety, take it's attractiveness beyond just that of BIK tax efficiency.
The annoying thing about the AutoCar and AutoExpress reviews are almost like they were written by the same person. Nothing in there on actual electric range or fuel economy experienced. As you say 4.5* is pretty good :-)
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https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-bmw-33...ses-1837225359
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Jalopnic's verdict is in, a 340i-Lite!

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-bmw-33...ses-1837225359
That's a very interesting write up!

In the comments he confirms that the XtraBoost function is extra electric power, which means that with a tuning box on the engine the whole output would be up near 350bhp!
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Jalopnic's verdict is in, a 340i-Lite!

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-bmw-33...ses-1837225359
That's a very interesting write up!

In the comments he confirms that the XtraBoost function is extra electric power, which means that with a tuning box on the engine the whole output would be up near 350bhp!
What car indicate 65mpg on a 3 hour mixed route run. That's not too shabby!

https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-bm...se-date/n19007
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Jalopnic's verdict is in, a 340i-Lite!

https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-bmw-33...ses-1837225359
That's a very interesting write up!

In the comments he confirms that the XtraBoost function is extra electric power, which means that with a tuning box on the engine the whole output would be up near 350bhp!
What car indicate 65mpg on a 3 hour mixed route run. That's not too shabby!

https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-bm...se-date/n19007
I can easily believe that. I've started using our F30 330e to commute as of this week, and over a 70 mile each way commute, 50 miles of which is motorway, I've averaged 55mpg. That with being able to fully charge at home and the office. 65mpg when you be got around twice the electrical capacity is easy to believe.
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I'm very curious about the real mpg, real electric range, and motorway consumption, but the reviews didn't focus on any of these aspects. I'm picking up mine in two weeks, cannot wait. I only wished it had a 60 liters tank.
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I read a spanish review in which they said they did 38 miles on electric, said that the electric range is realistic.
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I also found this interesting:

"On paper, 0-62mph takes 5.9sec, but that doesn’t quite do the in-motion effort justice. Out on the autobahn it seems to build speed quicker than the 330d we’d driven earlier in the day"

"Starting with a fully charged battery, we drove for 26km on pure electric power, stropping along the motorway at up to 130km/h with ease. At 26km, we decided to switch over to hybrid power, and had an indicated 19km range left in the battery as we did so. We then completed a further 60km on a mixture of country and urban roads, switching between Hybrid and Sport modes. We ended up at our destination with an indicated 1km of battery range left, having recorded 3.8 litres per 100km economy"
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I'm guessing real electric only range is around 30 miles.

Real world overall fuel consumption will depend so much on individual usage profile and will vary so much more than for a standard ICE car.

Folk who have up to a 15 mile commute will hardly use any fuel, but then someone who is pounding the motorways will probs see low 40s.

Folk who never charge it up probably high 30s.
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Someone who does 70-80 miles per day with one full charge will do around 60-65 mpg I think
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Someone who does 70-80 miles per day with one full charge will do around 60-65 mpg I think
I think you're likely to be the first on the forum to get one, I for one will be awaiting your "real world" fuel economy and electric range report + whether you think the magazine reports are accurate :-)

My office commute is 45 miles each way (75% motorway (with a few traffic jam spots), rest A-roads with very small amount of 30mph) + I can charge at work so I'm hopeful I might get 90MPG+

My current 200 mile (each way) drive to a project in Manchester I'm not so hopeful on! ;-)
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Sounds like it really builds on what the previous one offers, with much better electric range, and a tad more performance too.

I'm now really looking forward to getting mine.
Will be interesting to see how much better this model is with your established driving profile(s).

Must say a 330e (touring) with the improved electric range, is very tempting for my typical driving. Only running one car, if ~30 miles is a real world figure, it could do most of our local trips from home charging, with the obvious flexibility for the longer trips.

It's a serious proposition for my next car, for the EV technology and still having a decent drive. For me, there is a degree of novelty and testing the usability of PHEV to it. Not sure there is any money savings for the private buyer. Keep coming back to a 330i could still be the simpler, lighter and cheaper car to run.

I'll be watching the feedback on this model closely.
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Sounds like it really builds on what the previous one offers, with much better electric range, and a tad more performance too.

I'm now really looking forward to getting mine.
Will be interesting to see how much better this model is with your established driving profile(s).

Must say a 330e (touring) with the improved electric range, is very tempting for my typical driving. Only running one car, if ~30 miles is a real world figure, it could do most of our local trips from home charging, with the obvious flexibility for the longer trips.

It's a serious proposition for my next car, for the EV technology and still having a decent drive. For me, there is a degree of novelty and testing the usability of PHEV to it. Not sure there is any money savings for the private buyer. Keep coming back to a 330i could still be the simpler, lighter and cheaper car to run.

I'll be watching the feedback on this model closely.
I can't see how a 330i could be cheaper to run over a 5 year period from new. Perhaps beyond that when increased warranty costs for the hybrid could change the calculations, but not before.

As well as low fuel costs the other amazing thing about the 330e we have is that the rear tyres lasted almost 50k miles and the fronts almost 70k miles. We are now at 80k and brakes pads are still not even half worn, and still on original discs.

I'm guessing regen braking is helping the brakes last a lot better than a standard car, but no idea why the tyres are lasting so well.
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I think you're likely to be the first on the forum to get one, I for one will be awaiting your "real world" fuel economy and electric range report + whether you think the magazine reports are accurate :-)

My office commute is 45 miles each way (75% motorway (with a few traffic jam spots), rest A-roads with very small amount of 30mph) + I can charge at work so I'm hopeful I might get 90MPG+

My current 200 mile (each way) drive to a project in Manchester I'm not so hopeful on! ;-)
Will be interested to see what you achieve.

We have a good idea on how ICE efficiency is influenced by speed, not much you can do to improve motorway mpg, except slowing down. For me, I need to study how efficient the electric motor is, compared to the ICE, in the urban environment.

I've a feeling my typical local driving profile, (25 - 30 miles) light rural and light urban, could be very efficient, simply by how good the consumption is, in my 535i. Also knowing what changes to the typical driving cycle, knock it back. The inefficiencies favour the EV, less wasted energy.
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I can't see how a 330i could be cheaper to run over a 5 year period from new. Perhaps beyond that when increased warranty costs for the hybrid could change the calculations, but not before.

As well as low fuel costs the other amazing thing about the 330e we have is that the rear tyres lasted almost 50k miles and the fronts almost 70k miles. We are now at 80k and brakes pads are still not even half worn, and still on original discs.

I'm guessing regen braking is helping the brakes last a lot better than a standard car, but no idea why the tyres are lasting so well.
You could well be correct Terry, I was thinking there was a bigger cost penalty on buying the car, than I've just noted on BMW's site.

You mention regen braking, that is one of my concerns, my brakes don't get enough use on my normal drive, hence the corrosion and early replacement. Perhaps I'd need to grease them, help them last if they are not used.

Tyres are probably a more ECO influenced compound. Less grippy?
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