[HelpMeHelpU]

I am expecting an M2C (MT) in a few weeks. It will be my first BMW and I plan to use it as a daily driver mostly, though I may get tempted to take it to the track once or twice.

Though I am not really a wheel guy, I really did not like the stock 788 wheels. To make matters worse for myself, I selected the silver/black instead of all black for reasons not connected to this car. And I regret it. (I know I can powder coat the wheels but they seem very busy to me and I prefer other wheels.)

So I went looking for 763Ms and found a decent price for matte black that come with Cup 2s. Total price is $4,685, which includes mounting, balancing, TPMS, valve stems, and center caps.

For those people who have actually driven their M2s with Cup 2 and Super Sports, I would appreciate hearing any thoughts.

Thanks so much.

[SilverScotty]

I picked up that set of 763s from getbmwparts.com and have been running them for a few months and have tracked my car. In my opinion the 763s transform the look of the car.

First off, Cup 2s are Super sticky. At 240 tread wear they pick up every little pebble that you drive over and fling it at your car. You can hear the peppering at low speeds. I have PPF'd my car so I am thankful in that respect. Be warned if you are not going the ppf route. The car has wide hips. However, they were amazing on the track. Definitely showed signs of wear after one track day but it was really hot that day.

MPSS are great for daily driving and they make the car way more playful. In MDM mode you can swing the ass out all day long in a control slide. Probably fine for a day on the track but I've never tracked them. The Cup 2s don't slide as much but the level of grip makes the car feel faster since you don't loose traction in lower gears like you do w the MPSSs. I know the M2 CS is faster/more capable but I really do think that some of the 'magic' of that car is that most come with Cup 2s. At least the ones you read or watch reviews on.

So it's really a toss up between playful and more capable. But it comes at costs if you go either way.

[photorph]

I went frozen gold for 763M, they are more expensive than the matte black but they make the car look way better. I changed out the cup2s and put stock tires on there. Cup2s are a purpose built tire, grip in hot/dry weather on good roads or track.

I daily drive in all seasons....so cup 2s wouldn't work, not safe in wet...and will definitely kill you in freezing weather/freezing rain.

[ZM2]

#1 I saw “Cup 2s” and thought, what is this new version of the Cup 2 I don’t know about?

#2 This question doesn’t matter the wheelset or if it’s an M2 or M2C.

#3 Cup 2’s are a horrible daily or track tire. 4S blows it (and the PSS) away on the street, and so many other tires blow it away on track.

[r1sthebest]

I am driving the Cup2's now on the 763M wheels but I wouldn't do it again on daily car! If it rains you have to be very careful. On my stock M788 wheels I have the Michelin PS4S and that is SUPER!

[infinitekidM2C]

I switched, mainly because i do track the car. But I think at the horsepower that the car has, especially if you tune it, it's going to be a much better match for the car. They do need a bit of heat to get sticky and they are supposedly not great for water, so not sure if it's as practical in New York as they are here in Socal. But they are a stickier tire, they release more consistently, and they give more feedback when you're losing grip.

[smknjoe]

I put about 15-16,000 miles on the stock 788m w/PSS. Then, installed the 763m with Cup2 (from getbmwparts.com Evan was cool to work with.)

I have put ~1,500 miles on them since and they are awesome. There's a noticeable difference in steering response. It seems more "nimble" and I was really not expecting to notice any difference at all.

Note: PSS and Cup2 both suck in the rain IMO. I have another car I drive when it's wet out, which is often (Houston.)

Also, I did notice the sticky compound pick up some pebbles in an area where they are abundant. After a few hundred miles that has pretty much stopped.

[VisualEcho]

I have driven on the PSS, PSC2 (the last version, which is the only one available in the USA), and the PS4S.

Without a moment's hesitation, for a street car you NEED PS4S, it's vastly superior in every way, and can still hold its own for the little tracking you might do.

Order them now, and as soon as your car is delivered have them swapped, that way you can get good money for the PSS.

If you never trust anything you read on Bimmerpost, trust this; the PS4S is the street tire to have, without any question whatsoever.

[smknjoe]

^ PS4S is supposed to be the tire to get for street use.

I don't track my car. It's mainly used as a weekend fun-haver go sideways toy. Cup2 are probably a complete waste outside of track use. I do really enjoy the improved handling over PSS. Haven't tried PS4S.

[AlpsRider]

Everyone has their own preferences. I love the Cup2 240. They are so crisp and responsive. My car doesn't fish tail on corners anymore. MPSS were good but lacking in grip for a more powerful car. MPS4S are good overall but lacking in the communication dept. They feel a bit soft and numb. Some people prefer the comfort route. I'm more the type that likes to feel the road with crisp response. Rain and cold aren't issues where I live.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Everyone has their own preferences. I love the Cup2 240. They are so crisp and responsive. My car doesn't fish tail on corners anymore. MPSS were good but lacking in grip for a more powerful car. MPS4S are good overall but lacking in the communication dept. They feel a bit soft and numb. Some people prefer the comfort route. I'm more the type that likes to feel the road with crisp response.

Everything you said is true.

But...

The stickier the tire, the faster it loses the max performance that makes it so great.

PSS - is a 10,000 mile tire (at best)
PSC2 - is a 6,000 mile tire (at best)
PS4S - is a 15,000 mile tire (or better). Also quieter, better in the rain, and better for novice drivers

This, of course, is if used as intended.

I love the PSS, but damn the howl after 5K miles.

I also love the Cup2...when it's new, but give that tire some wear on a standard, street driven car and it becomes worth less than what it costs to remove it.

[zatchmo]

Thanks for this thread. I'm trying to decide what my second set of tires will be and this helped a lot. My only ps4s experience is on an E90 328xi. Not exactly the same thing.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Everything you said is true.

But...

The stickier the tire, the faster it loses the max performance that makes it so great.

PSS - is a 10,000 mile tire (at best)
PSC2 - is a 6,000 mile tire (at best)
PS4S - is a 15,000 mile tire (or better). Also quieter, better in the rain, and better for novice drivers

This, of course, is if used as intended.

I love the PSS, but damn the howl after 5K miles.

I also love the Cup2...when it's new, but give that tire some wear on a standard, street driven car and it becomes worth less than what it costs to remove it.

The Cup2 240 should not be confused with the previous Cup2 180. The Cup2 240 has a 240 tread wear rating. The MPSS has a 300 tread wear rating. The MPSS tires that I just replaced had 20k miles on them with tread remaining.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

The Cup2 240 should not be confused with the previous Cup2 180. The Cup2 240 has a 240 tread wear rating. The MPSS has a 300 tread wear rating. The MPSS tires that I just replaced had 20k miles on them with tread remaining.

TWR isn't everything, in fact, it's manufacturer specific (and a bunch of bull most of the time). But yes, I agree that 240 lasts longer than 180.

And if you had 20K on your MPSS, you a.) don't drive your car hard enough, and b.) put up with a hell of a lot of howl for a long ass time.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

TWR isn't everything, in fact, it's manufacturer specific (and a bunch of bull most of the time). But yes, I agree that 240 lasts longer than 180.

And if you had 20K on your MPSS, you a.) don't drive your car hard enough, and b.) put up with a hell of a lot of howl for a long ass time.

I wouldn't be surprised if others that don't track their MPSS have decent mileage out of them, certainly more than 10k miles.
I drive my car hard in the twisties but not everyday. It's usually on group outings. Poor air pressure control can ruin a set of tires quickly. I wouldn't use the MPSS tires at the track because the corners of the front tires would be ground off in no time. The Cup2 240s have much beefier corners than the MPSS or the MPS4S so in that respect they have a leg up for intense cornering, especially in the front. Of course the cure for ground off front tires is to achieve more negative camber with either camber plates or other suspension alterations.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I wouldn't be surprised if others that don't track their MPSS have decent mileage out of them, certainly more than 10k miles.
I wouldn't use the MPSS tires at the track because the corners of the front tires would be ground off in no time. The Cup2 240s have much beefier corners than the MPSS or the MPS4S so in that respect they have a leg up for intense cornering, especially in the front. Of course the cure for ground off front tires is to achieve more negative camber with either camber plates or other suspension alterations.

I agree, most guys can get at least 12-15K out of them if they're street tires, but the rears certainly start to howl before 10K.

As far as the tracking, I won't speak to that because this thread is about a street car that *might* see some tracking here or there, so the shoulder longevity are a non-issue here.

[flybigjet]

Stock MPSS's on an M2C with two track days into them (and a Carbahn tune).

At just under 8000 miles, I'm at 4/16th in the rear and 8/16th in the front.

Replaced them with new wheels and MP4S's. I'll burn up the rears during another track day, and then will store the stock wheels and get a set of PSC2's on another set of wheels for track days.

[ZL9M2]

The Cup2 tires, one size wider front and rear, transform the car. I've driven both as well as the Conti's that were on the early M2's as well. They will pick up road debris, so plan accordingly. Pain protection or the carbon fiber mud flaps are a good idea. I've also been on the track with both sets of tires and the difference is night and day. We also drove the OG M2 and the CS from WI to SC for the X1M fest and had no issues in the wet with Cup2's on both cars. I also run the 180 Cup2's, not the 240 treadwear versions.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by ZL9M2

The Cup2 tires, one size wider front and rear, transform the car. I've driven both as well as the Conti's that were on the early M2's as well. They will pick up road debris, so plan accordingly. Pain protection or the carbon fiber mud flaps are a good idea. I've also been on the track with both sets of tires and the difference is night and day. We also drove the OG M2 and the CS from WI to SC for the X1M fest and had no issues in the wet with Cup2's on both cars. I also run the 180 Cup2's, not the 240 treadwear versions.

So you're a good one to answer the million dollar question.

For a street car with the occasional track day, would you recommend the PS4S, or the PSC2?

[ZL9M2]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

So you're a good one to answer the million dollar question.

For a street car with the occasional track day, would you recommend the PS4S, or the PSC2?

I think every M2 owner owes it to themselves - and to the car - to try a set of the Cup 2 tires. I think they are the best option for the car on the stock suspension, summer street use and occasional track use.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by ZL9M2

I think every M2 owner owes it to themselves - and to the car - to try a set of the Cup 2 tires. I think they are the best option for the car on the stock suspension, summer street use and occasional track use.

And I disagree wholeheartedly.

It's a BMW, not a Ferrari, and handles like a wounded rhino IMO. If anything, less grippy tires makes the car more fun. Lastly, it certainly doesn't need semi-comp tires 100% of the time for 5% track time.

But thanks for your input.

[ZL9M2]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

And I disagree wholeheartedly.

It's a BMW, not a Ferrari, and handles like a wounded rhino IMO. If anything, less grippy tires makes the car more fun. Lastly, it certainly doesn't need semi-comp tires 100% of the time for 5% track time.

But thanks for your input.

Have you driven the M2 with Cup2 tires?