The 1 series fuel efficiency

[BForbes]

I'm curious to see how fuel effiicient the 1 series will be. It would only make sense that the car should be more efficient that the 3,5, and so on. Here is an interesting bit I got from C&D magazine.

"Talk about having it all: style, luxury, comfort, performance, and, yes, fuel economy. Despite a published highway fuel-consumption figure of 30 mpg, several C/D staffers have done better than that in mixed driving, and we aren’t pussy-footin’ types. The secret is BMW’s new, light, and efficient 3.0-liter inline-six, boasting a magnesium-and-aluminum block and Valvetronic variable valve lift and producing 230 horsepower and 200 lb-ft of torque. The 328i is about as plush as a base model can get, a virtuosic handler, and scampers to 60 mph in a claimed 6.2 seconds. Just as enjoyably, you can thumb your nose at your do-gooder neighbors because the car is ULEV II certified for emissions and gets better fuel mileage than the vast majority of mid-size sedans."

My thoughts is that the base car should pull at LEAST 25mpg city and over 33highway. I understand many of the variants in Europe are doing over 40mpg but that isnt going to happen in North America for obvious reasons.

[PACIFICONE2003]

I believe your MPG guess will be close. We will likely not see any other engine variant for the introductory 1er model. However, with Toyota, VW, DaimlerChysler, and Honda all positioning themselves with an on slot of diesels models entering our US market within the next couple of years to compete against the hybrids, I see BMW following suit. It would be nice to get a 1er coup diesel that gets in the 40+++ mpg range. I drive the heck out of my cars, about 30,000 miles a year. This would be the perfect world for me, BMW quality with exceptional mpg. Diesels have come a long ways.

[2008-130ci]

Long time lurker, first time poster....

The 125d is definitely what I am waiting for (with M-Package).

I've been waiting for the 1er since the end of 2004. I can certainly wait till the anticipated diesel arrives!!

[amdmaxx]

Bring in the diesel BMW!!!

[Jeff10236]

I desperately want the diesel, but I don't think we're ever getting it.

With the I6 like they'll be sending I think you are about right. My 2003 325i is getting between 25-26 in regular driving, and 28-29 on trips (with a heavy right foot). In city driving it is probably in the low 20s. The 1 series is probably a little lighter so I'd guess 24-25 city, 32-34 highway, and upper 20s to 30 in everyday driving. As much power as that engine gives you, it really is quite efficient.

[LonghornTX]

My guess is 22mpg city and 32mpg highway for a 265HP N52 coupe :headbang: .

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by LonghornTX

My guess is 22mpg city and 32mpg highway for a 265HP N52 coupe :headbang: .

Except I'm not even sure there would be a 265HP coupe in the US at all. :frown:

[LonghornTX]

Originally Posted by spinzero

Except I'm not even sure there would be a 265HP coupe in the US at all. :frown:

I guess we don't really know much at all at this point :mad: . My strategy would be to make the top engine the mythical N53 w/ HPI, putting out somewhere around 280HP, then use a 230-240HP version of the N52 as the base.

[2008-130ci]

Originally Posted by LonghornTX

I guess we don't really know much at all at this point :mad: . My strategy would be to make the top engine the mythical N53 w/ HPI, putting out somewhere around 280HP, then use a 230-240HP version of the N52 as the base.

Well, that would be what most people would like to see... but why would BMW show all thier cards to start. I would expect to see those numbers in 2-3 years (not 2008) with the 220-230 being a the turbo 4.

125i 230 hp
130i 280 hp

But not till 2009, or 2010

Just my $0.02

I believe I have already stated what I'm looking for :wink:

[BForbes]

I'm sorry but this car needs to debut with a BANG....meaning the twin-turbo. Yes I would be satisfied with the 260hp, but come on. Introducing a 1 series in the U.S. is VERY risky as it is. Make us a 128i and a 135i. Put a 5-6k price difference in between them and call it a day. Oh yes, and offer a diesel somewhere down the road. There is no room to half-ass this car. NONE whatsoever, because they would be risking a brand dilution, and a sales flop.

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

I'm sorry but this car needs to debut with a BANG....meaning the twin-turbo. Yes I would be satisfied with the 260hp, but come on. Introducing a 1 series in the U.S. is VERY risky as it is. Make us a 128i and a 135i. Put a 5-6k price difference in between them and call it a day. Oh yes, and offer a diesel somewhere down the road. There is no room to half-ass this car. NONE whatsoever, because they would be risking a brand dilution, and a sales flop.

Well not dong it half-assed at all would be offering a 130i and a 135i. A 128i is VERY half assed. Remember the 328i actually gets worse mileage than the 330i.

But of course I know that's simply not going to happen. BMW is most likely to use the same engine lineup as the 3. That will make a lot of the paperwork easier for them as well.

[2008-130ci]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

I'm sorry but this car needs to debut with a BANG....meaning the twin-turbo. Yes I would be satisfied with the 260hp, but come on. Introducing a 1 series in the U.S. is VERY risky as it is. Make us a 128i and a 135i. Put a 5-6k price difference in between them and call it a day. Oh yes, and offer a diesel somewhere down the road. There is no room to half-ass this car. NONE whatsoever, because they would be risking a brand dilution, and a sales flop.

Well, from the information we have seen so far, there is no doubt that is how the 1er will debut... (123 in Canada), 128i and 135i (same as in the 3 series) but that will only exist till the ~350hp M1 shows up. Once that happens there will be no room for the 135i. See above for what I expect the line up to be then.

[hector]

Originally Posted by 125d

with the 220-230 being a the turbo 4.

do you think the turbo 4 will displace just 2.0ltrs. or any chance it might be 2.2ltr. or so.

[2008-130ci]

Originally Posted by hector

do you think the turbo 4 will displace just 2.0ltrs. or any chance it might be 2.2ltr. or so.

My guess... just the 2.0

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by spinzero

Well not dong it half-assed at all would be offering a 130i and a 135i. A 128i is VERY half assed. Remember the 328i actually gets worse mileage than the 330i.

But of course I know that's simply not going to happen. BMW is most likely to use the same engine lineup as the 3. That will make a lot of the paperwork easier for them as well.

I gotta disagree with you there Spin. By implication your saying that BMW half-assed the 3 and the 5 series since there base engines are that 230hp. Lets say they only brought the 1series in the form of 130i and 135i. That would mean that there lowest series, has a more potent base engine. That wouldnt make much sense. By half-assing, i meant them not giving us engines the rest of the current BMW line-up uses. If you think about it, the current 328i produces the same performance numbers as the 130i hatchback even though it has 30hp less. Go figure.

[hector]

in the interest of fuel efficiency why doesn't bmw go to an ALL TURBO line-up(excepting M cars)? maybe something along these lines:
1 series:base 2.0ltr. 4 cyl. 220hp., optional 2.5ltr. 6 cyl. 280hp.
3 series:base 2.5ltr. 6 cyl. 280hp., optional 3.0ltr. 6 cyl. 330hp.
5 series:base 3.0ltr. 6 cyl. 330hp., optional 3.6ltr. v8 400hp.

[2008-130ci]

Originally Posted by hector

in the interest of fuel efficiency why doesn't bmw go to an ALL TURBO line-up(excepting M cars)? maybe something along these lines:
1 series:base 2.0ltr. 4 cyl. 220hp., optional 2.5ltr. 6 cyl. 280hp.
3 series:base 2.5ltr. 6 cyl. 280hp., optional 3.0ltr. 6 cyl. 330hp.
5 series:base 3.0ltr. 6 cyl. 330hp., optional 3.6ltr. v8 400hp.

Becuase they can build less engines... why build a 2.5 turbo for 280 hp when they can use the non turbo 3.0ltr

2.0 non turbo, 180 hp
2.0 turbo, 220 hp
3.0 non trubo, 280 hp
3.0 trubo, 330 hp

One less engine.

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

I gotta disagree with you there Spin. By implication your saying that BMW half-assed the 3 and the 5 series since there base engines are that 230hp. Lets say they only brought the 1series in the form of 130i and 135i. That would mean that there lowest series, has a more potent base engine. That wouldnt make much sense. By half-assing, i meant them not giving us engines the rest of the current BMW line-up uses. If you think about it, the current 328i produces the same performance numbers as the 130i hatchback even though it has 30hp less. Go figure.

s2k, I do think that the current engine lineup for the 3 and 5 are somewhat half-assed. It isn't that 230HP for the base model is not enough. If it was a 2.5L motor specifically tuned to provide good fuel efficiency, it would be a perfect base engine. The problem I have is of course that it costs BMW next to nothing to bump that HP from 230HP to 255HP, which is what this engine is designed to generate in the first place. It would even get the same or better gas mileage. Since the reason that we get the detuend version is purely marketing oriented, I consider it to be half-assed.

But I did not mean that 128i-135i would be worse than 125i-130i for the future of the 1 series. I agree the former is a better choice. And I know there is a zero chance of getting 130i-135i lineup with the 3 and 5 series lineup being what they are. I was just ranting, as I constantly will until they give me my N53 130i.:mad:

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by spinzero

s2k, I do think that the current engine lineup for the 3 and 5 are somewhat half-assed. It isn't that 230HP for the base model is not enough. If it was a 2.5L motor specifically tuned to provide good fuel efficiency, it would be a perfect base engine. The problem I have is of course that it costs BMW next to nothing to bump that HP from 230HP to 255HP, which is what this engine is designed to generate in the first place. It would even get the same or better gas mileage. Since the reason that we get the detuend version is purely marketing oriented, I consider it to be half-assed.

But I did not mean that 128i-135i would be worse than 125i-130i for the future of the 1 series. I agree the former is a better choice. And I know there is a zero chance of getting 130i-135i lineup with the 3 and 5 series lineup being what they are. I was just ranting, as I constantly will until they give me my N53 130i.:mad:

I gotcha spin! Watch they offer all the other models the 255hp as the base and stick the 1 with the 230hp next year. I'd be pissed!

[hector]

Originally Posted by spinzero

...give me my N53 130i.:mad:

well, if edmunds is right we may be getting it(as the top engine), if true i hope its the d.i. version, in some ways it would make more sense than getting the turbo which leaves little room for an M car.

[spudw]

I've always thought a 135i would truly be a niche car. There are a lot of good choices for $40K+ and, as good as it may be, a 135i would be a risky proposition just as the model line gets out of the gate.

Were I making the line-up, I'd have 200hp (123i) and 260hp (130i) versions for the 1-series, and then an M1 (with either a TT or NA i6) at around 340hp. That way there's a car for everyone (123i), a car for the everyday performance dogs, like me (and most of the enthusiast on this site, I'd suggest), and a halo car for the true performance freaks, affluent 30-something stock brokers and weekend racers (M1).

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by hector

well, if edmunds is right we may be getting it(as the top engine), if true i hope its the d.i. version, in some ways it would make more sense than getting the turbo which leaves little room for an M car.

The only problem is that the rest of the US BMW car lineup do not offer fully tuned, DI N53.

Now you CAN still get the 260HP valvetronic engine in an X3, so there is still a little hope left for me.