[dumptruck]

https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-...on-tax-dodgers

[BlkGS]

Good. States should seize the cars and charge all these losers with tax fraud. The people running the companies should all get racketeering charges and conspiracy to commit tax fraud, and do prison time.

[Mech Spec]

Every state has laws requiring residents to properly register, plate, and insure vehicles in their home jurisdictions. Most also have strict requirements for the payment of taxes and fees, inspections, and emissions testing.

Non-Montanans driving cars with Montana plates generally can’t hide beneath an LLC invisibility cloak, and many states have won court rulings stating as much, according to Paul Steier, director of vehicle programs at the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators.

As was said by many non tax cheats with working brains in the other thread.

Anyway, great article and to anyone who skirts taxes because they think they are special: they're coming for you, and there's no way to undo it, and likely long statutes of limitation. Time to get comfortable with the potential damages, call an attorney.

[G MONEY]

Dumb ass Utah is probably spending more tax payer money on all this shit than they are losing in the vehicle tax.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Dumb ass Utah is probably spending more tax payer money on all this shit than they are losing in the vehicle tax.

Interesting definition of legality. If it costs more to prove an action is civilly or criminally wrong than the government will gain from the case, the government should not pursue the case. Maybe think about that a bit.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Interesting definition of legality. If it costs more to prove an action is civilly or criminally wrong then the government will gain from the case, the government should not pursue the case. Maybe think about that a bit.

I’m sure there are plenty of other things they can be talking care of. But hey, it government/politicians and they are the biggest crooks on the planet. So of course they aren’t concerned with the tough issues to tackle.

[dumptruck]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Dumb ass Utah is probably spending more tax payer money on all this shit than they are losing in the vehicle tax.

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Interesting definition of legality. If it costs more to prove an action is civilly or criminally wrong than the government will gain from the case, the government should not pursue the case. Maybe think about that a bit.

“the effort could yield up to $100 million in back taxes, penalties and registration fees.”

“the department clawed back $307,000 in taxes and penalties from a single owner of multiple Porsches and Ferraris.”

[Mech Spec]

Even if they only broke even if would still be a win because people who are honest and buy normal cars would now pay the same rate as the cheats.

Its not about making money. The government isn't a business, its not supposed to do profitable things.

[BlkGS]

They can and should add STIFF penalties on top of the back taxes. At least 2x the cost to catch and prosecute. Just to make sure it doesn't cost tax payers anything and to make it so brutally expensive to defraud the government and taxpayers that it's just not worth the risk.

I'm thinking a week of prison time per 1000$ in tax fraud would help too for the owners that are doing things.

[dumptruck]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

They can and should add STIFF penalties on top of the back taxes. At least 2x the cost to catch and prosecute. Just to make sure it doesn't cost tax payers anything and to make it so brutally expensive to defraud the government and taxpayers that it's just not worth the risk.

I'm thinking a week of prison time per 1000$ in tax fraud would help too for the owners that are doing things.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dumptruck

“the effort could yield up to $100 million in back taxes, penalties and registration fees.”

“the department clawed back $307,000 in taxes and penalties from a single owner of multiple Porsches and Ferraris.”

Yeah, $120M in missing taxes is going to catch the eye of most politicians. That's real money. Just sayin'

[pbonsalb]

They already spent it.

[XutvJet]

Not a single tear will be shed for these rich folks thinking they're oh-so special and can avoid taxes. If you don't like the tax process, contact your representatives and vote.

[Big6Kal]

I wouldn’t say it’s just rich people I did cause I was having a hard time getting a car that I bought out of state registered. Then Covid hit which made it harder so I went the Montana route got the car smogged an eventual changed over to California plates. I get you guys are mad but don’t just assume it’s only the rich doing it others are doing it for many reason other than saving on taxes

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Big6Kal

I wouldn’t say it’s just rich people I did cause I was having a hard time getting a car that I bought out of state registered. Then Covid hit which made it harder so I went the Montana route got the car smogged an eventual changed over to California plates. I get you guys are mad but don’t just assume it’s only the rich doing it others are doing it for many reason other than saving on taxes

When the senators and congressmen/woman stop insider trading , then everyone else can follow suit and play fair. Until then , fuck em all. Cut every corner you can. If our leaders can do it, we all should get the green light

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by Big6Kal

I wouldn’t say it’s just rich people I did cause I was having a hard time getting a car that I bought out of state registered. Then Covid hit which made it harder so I went the Montana route got the car smogged an eventual changed over to California plates. I get you guys are mad but don’t just assume it’s only the rich doing it others are doing it for many reason other than saving on taxes

I agree it is likely that some of the people illegally registering their cars out of state are doing so for reasons other than cheating their state government out of taxes, but I think the vast majority are tax cheats and the exceptions are a very small minority.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Not a single tear will be shed for these rich folks thinking they're oh-so special and can avoid taxes. If you don't like the tax process, contact your representatives and vote.

This

[dgoldenz]

Boy, if only we could prosecute everyone who takes advantage of tax loopholes that are legal. We’d need to elect a whole new slate of politicians. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

IANAL, consult your local Grok or ChatGPT for legal advice.

[BlkGS]

This isn't a tax loophole. It's tax fraud. Almost all states have laws stating a vehicle that is residing in that state for at least 30 days has to be registered in that state. So you are violating the law to defraud the government and other taxpayers.

I do enjoy reading the BS reasons that people think it's ok to cheat it. Real low character people lol.

[Humdizzle]

The rich wont be affected by this. Those cars are tucked away and hardly driven. They likely have legal property in MT the car is registered to. Meaning the state of utah would have to prove the car spends all its time in utah and not montana. They can't put cameras on every road.

And i noticed in the article they are going to specifically go after MT. Well, South Dakota offers the same service as well as a few other states. So are they going to look up every car that goes by with out of state plates and send them a letter? Or are they just going to go after exotics and leave the 100k Ford Raptor's alone? Profiling much?

MT has no legal obligation to give any other state info about the owner of their LLCs. Many states have asked MT for this but they refuse to play ball.]

sounds like a big scare tactic imo... which will work some of the time. "pay this fee and avoid legal trouble, but if you want to fight it then you risk these legal outcomes"

[Mech Spec]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

The rich wont be affected by this. Those cars are tucked away and hardly driven. They likely have legal property in MT the car is registered to. Meaning the state of utah would have to prove the car spends all its time in utah and not montana. They can't put cameras on every road.

And i noticed in the article they are going to specifically go after MT. Well, South Dakota offers the same service as well as a few other states. So are they going to look up every car that goes by with out of state plates and send them a letter? Or are they just going to go after exotics and leave the 100k Ford Raptor's alone? Profiling much?

MT has no legal obligation to give any other state info about the owner of their LLCs. Many states have asked MT for this but they refuse to play ball.]

sounds like a big scare tactic imo... which will work some of the time. "pay this fee and avoid legal trouble, but if you want to fight it then you risk these legal outcomes"

Believe it or not, the rich are allowed to be profiled and punished for stealing. Despite what the legal system and politicians would like everyone to think, being rich is not a "protected class" like race.

Most states have plenty of ways of figuring out where cars are actually used and stored.

Also, since you live in missouri, you know that they actively go after SD folks who do this.

[LH44]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Good. States should seize the cars and charge all these losers with tax fraud. The people running the companies should all get racketeering charges and conspiracy to commit tax fraud, and do prison time.

The next time I see Sam Altman's MT-plated Regera or MF1 drive by house, I'll chase him down and let him know your thoughts.