[STICKY335]

Just wondering what you guys think. Straight run both cars are stock.

328i
3.0L I6, 24 valves
230 @ 6500
Automatic

328iS
2.8L I6, 24 valves
190 @ 5300
Manual 5 spd

wana get a fun race going with my friend. wanted to see your thoughts.

[RambleJ]

I'd be really close.
Your car clocks 0-60 in 6.2
His car clocks 0-60 in 6.4
I guess its a drivers race and it also depends on how well he has keep up his engine.
Edit:
There is a big gap in horsepower but there is also a large difference in weight on the two cars..
Your car weighs in @ around 3400, while his car weighs in @ 3075.

[ragingclue]

The M52 has a decent amount of torque down low, and he's got a weight advantage, but he still shouldn't be able to keep up with you.

[grubster]

I don't think he has a chance the e92 328 I drove felt almost as fast as the E36 M3 I replaced!

[STICKY335]

Originally Posted by grubster

I don't think he has a chance the e92 328 I drove felt almost as fast as the E36 M3 I replaced!

Ohhh wow

[nicknaz]

Since the E92 328 is automatic I think the E36 328 will have the edge because it will be able to launch more aggressively.

[Craig@SupremePower]

the E92 will pull on it imo...

[jopa489]

Should have made this a poll.

It'll be close. The unknown factors here are how much the E36's engine has lost over the years and how well your friend can drive a manual. I think I'm going to go with the E92 for the win. Even with the GM Step transmission and weight disadvantage I think you'll get him.

Race legally.

[STICKY335]

Originally Posted by jopa489

Should have made this a poll.

It'll be close. The unknown factors here are how much the E36's engine has lost over the years and how well your friend can drive a manual. I think I'm going to go with the E92 for the win. Even with the GM Step transmission and weight disadvantage I think you'll get him.

Race legally.

well he has 130,000 miles on the 328iS...

[Bimmeration]

stock, e36 don't stand a chance imo.

[STICKY335]

Poll Upp Vote Away!

[jmsent]

I had a 94 E36 325is. Very close in power to the 328is. Do a proper brake torque launch in DS on the E92 328 and you will kill the E36. 130,000 on the clock? Not exactly a spring chicken.

[M///BMW]

Originally Posted by grubster

I don't think he has a chance the e92 328 I drove felt almost as fast as the E36 M3 I replaced!

No way man...the e36 m3 destroys the 328i

[M///BMW]

Originally Posted by Bimmeration

stock, e36 don't stand a chance imo.

Who owns a stock e36....nobody

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by M///BMW

No way man...the e36 m3 destroys the 328i

Agreed. It might not light your hair on fire in a straight line, but it's still noticeably faster than an E9X 328, and certainly feels a lot more nible and less rotund.

[Kyle_e90]

e90 for sure!
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[The HACK]

Man, seriously, you guys need to go out and drive more than just your E9Xes...

To be HONEST, this is a driver's "fight," as in your automatic vs. his/her stick shift, it'll come right down to how well he/she drives the stick, and how ballsy you are wrt brake torquing on your new car. There's a couple of misconceptions here. Just because the car has 130,000 miles on it doesn't mean squat. If it's well maintained, there's an old saying...BMW engines don't reach their maximum power until about 80,000 miles. The E36, if it's properly maintained, will have a nice and loose engine that's fully broken in. The fact that the manual can be set up and launched properly from high RPM would mean the E36 can start out easily from peak torque, while the automatic E90 MUST brake torque to achieve that.

On paper they're .2 seconds apart, and in real-life that .2 seconds can be the difference in reaction time or who's got the better traction in tires. Those of you who say the E9X 328i would win for sure, probably has your E9X colored glasses on.

To the OP: Find out what mods the E36 has. If it's stock for stock, you must be willing to brake torque to stand a chance.

[STICKY335]

Originally Posted by The HACK

Man, seriously, you guys need to go out and drive more than just your E9Xes...

To be HONEST, this is a driver's "fight," as in your automatic vs. his/her stick shift, it'll come right down to how well he/she drives the stick, and how ballsy you are wrt brake torquing on your new car. There's a couple of misconceptions here. Just because the car has 130,000 miles on it doesn't mean squat. If it's well maintained, there's an old saying...BMW engines don't reach their maximum power until about 80,000 miles. The E36, if it's properly maintained, will have a nice and loose engine that's fully broken in. The fact that the manual can be set up and launched properly from high RPM would mean the E36 can start out easily from peak torque, while the automatic E90 MUST brake torque to achieve that.

On paper they're .2 seconds apart, and in real-life that .2 seconds can be the difference in reaction time or who's got the better traction in tires. Those of you who say the 328i would win for sure, probably has your E9X colored glasses on.

To the OP: Find out what mods the E36 has. If it's stock for stock, you must be willing to brake torque to stand a chance.

Its fulll stock nothing moded yet.

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by The HACK

Man, seriously, you guys need to go out and drive more than just your E9Xes...

To be HONEST, this is a driver's "fight," as in your automatic vs. his/her stick shift, it'll come right down to how well he/she drives the stick, and how ballsy you are wrt brake torquing on your new car. There's a couple of misconceptions here. Just because the car has 130,000 miles on it doesn't mean squat. If it's well maintained, there's an old saying...BMW engines don't reach their maximum power until about 80,000 miles. The E36, if it's properly maintained, will have a nice and loose engine that's fully broken in. The fact that the manual can be set up and launched properly from high RPM would mean the E36 can start out easily from peak torque, while the automatic E90 MUST brake torque to achieve that.

On paper they're .2 seconds apart, and in real-life that .2 seconds can be the difference in reaction time or who's got the better traction in tires. Those of you who say the 328i would win for sure, probably has your E9X colored glasses on.

To the OP: Find out what mods the E36 has. If it's stock for stock, you must be willing to brake torque to stand a chance.

Thank you.

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by ADO3

Its fulll stock nothing moded yet.

Okay. Now find out what sort of tires he/she has. If the E36 driver has some experience drag racing, don't even bother. You will get eaten alive. Like I said, .2 seconds is the difference between reaction times. A good drag racer, hell, someone who's taken their car to the strip more than a couple of times would be able to figure out what RPM to launch and how much air to take out of the rear tires.

If you really want to make sure you win, here are a couple of tips. Learn to brake torque. It's highly damaging to the transmission and torque converter, and don't expect to do this at ever stop-light or else you can expect one or the other to implode in about 3 months. Go to a big empty parking lot. Stand on the brakes. No, REALLY stand on the brakes, like you're trying to punch that "clutch" through the floor with your left foot, except your left foot is on the brakes. Now, ease into the accelerator and note at what RPM the car starts to move and at what accelerator pedal pressure (it's not going to take off since you're standing on the brakes, REMEMBER?). DO THIS SPARINGLY AND ONLY IN SHORT SPURTS! Once you can consistently blip the throttle up to that RPM and hold it there for up to 5 seconds at a time, go ahead and stand back on the brakes with your left foot, bring the RPM up to that level and hold even throttle so that the RPM stays there, side-step your left foot off of the brakes and EASE into the throttle. Depending on the amount of tire spin in the rear tires, you may need to modulate your throttle just a bit to allow the rear wheels to "hook-up" after a momentary spin.

Practice this a few times until you get your launch technique down. The bleed the rear tires down to about 22-24 PSI. TURN OFF TRACTION CONTROL. Have fun and good luck. That or pray to the car gods that he misses the shift from 1st to 2nd and grab 4th instead.

Is the E36 an "is?" If it's an is, make sure you guys pick a clean road with absolutely no debris. And even then you will still most likely lose because the E36 328is comes with a Limited Slip Differential if I'm not mistaken.

[STICKY335]

yah he has lsd..... so basically the weight difference makes up for the 40 hp loss?

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by ADO3

yah he has lsd..... so basically the weight difference makes up for the 40 hp loss?

Not all 40, but it brings it within margin of a drivers race.. This is not going to be a simple kill for you, by any means.