BMW New Service Software!

Bavaria330 · 08-19-2009, 03:06 PM

Last week BWM introduced new service software with the aim of detecting Tunes,has anyone been plugged in with a JB3 on bypass?

JDLM · 08-19-2009, 03:09 PM

Omg Oh Noes!!!!

OpenFlash · 08-19-2009, 03:15 PM

Told ya so

shiv

JoosyJoos · 08-19-2009, 03:16 PM

More details?

I'm calling shenanigans until I get more details lol

NRG · 08-19-2009, 03:29 PM

More details please! Or a link.

ragingclue · 08-19-2009, 03:32 PM

Detecting the presence of a tune, or detecting that there was a tune flashed then removed?

scooby9 · 08-19-2009, 03:34 PM

Still not a super big deal if you remove the piggyback hardware prior to going in for service. Clearing any suspicious codes with a BT cable will seal the deal.

RambleJ · 08-19-2009, 03:54 PM

This is nothing new.. They have been trying this game since the development of 29.2.......

Kroy · 08-19-2009, 03:57 PM

Wouldn't a bt scanner just fix everything?

OpenFlash · 08-19-2009, 04:01 PM

It's more targetted to detecting reflashed ECUs. From what I heard, it goes a bit beyond comparing checksums. As for piggybacks, it apparantly drops the fuel flow allowance to make it easier to trip tuner codes. BMW is currently working on making the MSD81 unflashable. Or at least staying a couple steps ahead of the tuners. They aren't messing around.

Shiv

RambleJ · 08-19-2009, 04:07 PM

Note to self.. Continue to not allow dealership to update software.
Still rockin a pre 29.2 N54.

ragingclue · 08-19-2009, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's more targetted to detecting reflashed ECUs. From what I heard, it goes a bit beyond comparing checksums. As for piggybacks, it apparantly drops the fuel flow allowance to make it easier to trip tuner codes. BMW is currently working on making the MSD81 unflashable. Or at least staying a couple steps ahead of the tuners. They aren't messing around.

Shiv

So are the MSD80 guys a little more safe, or will BMW want to switch everyone to the 81?

persian54 · 08-19-2009, 04:26 PM

can bmw make you upgrade your software?

also, how do i know which one i have :P
do i need to ask the dealer or is there a different way?

OpenFlash · 08-19-2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragingclue

So are the MSD80 guys a little more safe, or will BMW want to switch everyone to the 81?

From what has been explained to me by people who know, MSD80 users are reasonably safe and flashable. Although temporary hurdles will exist. However, the MSD81 will soon be unflashable for all intents and purposes. With BMW adding more and more security in an attempt to keep of flash tuners. I believe it has already started this update in Europe with the 335Ds which currently can no longer be flashed. From what I've been told at least.

Shiv

HighVoltage · 08-19-2009, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ragingclue

So are the MSD80 guys a little more safe, or will BMW want to switch everyone to the 81?

That would cost BMW alot of $$...

citrixscu · 08-19-2009, 04:31 PM

This thread is going to be a good one. I'm tuned in.

MuchMoore · 08-19-2009, 04:43 PM

This is a crazy game...

Mr. 5 · 08-19-2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

From what has been explained to me by people who know, MSD80 users are reasonably safe and flashable. Although temporary hurdles will exist. However, the MSD81 will soon be unflashable for all intents and purposes. With BMW adding more and more security in an attempt to keep of flash tuners. I believe it has already started this update in Europe with the 335Ds which currently can no longer be flashed. From what I've been told at least.

Shiv

I don't believe this is accurate. People thought that the 335 couldn't be flashed at all at one point. Nothing is unflashable. It's just going to take a little longer to do it.

OpenFlash · 08-19-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I don't believe this is accurate. People thought that the 335 couldn't be flashed at all at one point. Nothing is unflashable. It's just going to take a little longer to do it.

That's why I said "for all intents in purposes". To keep something unflashable, all BMW has to do stay a step (or two) ahead of the aftermarket. Something they really haven't put to much time into until now. This is why they updated the MSD81 hardware because they knew that the MSD80 had too many open doors that couldn't be closed through simple firmware updates at the dealership. This isn't the case with MSD81 which I purposely had retrofitted into my early 07 for this very reason. The dealerships are being encouraged to update DMEs that they believe to be flashed. And they are working on enhanced interrogation functions to determine just that.

BMW wants everyone to buy their flash. Not anyone else's. It's all about dollars.

Shiv

MisterSkiMask · 08-19-2009, 05:26 PM

There is money to be made, somebody will figure out a way around BMW's roadblocks

Borsig · 08-19-2009, 06:12 PM

Heres a question-

I have a 5/09 build 335i. What software version do I have or MSD?

Ramos · 08-19-2009, 06:13 PM

Weak... do you guys know if they will have a way to prevent the BT scanner from clearing tuner codes with this new software?

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