Goodbye Runflats -- Goodyear F1s or Pirelli PNero Zero?

unxdawg · 09-26-2006, 02:45 PM

Hi Guys -

So I'm gearing up on replacing the Runflats, too harsh for me. I'm beginning to really dread my daily commute.

I spent alot of time reading about the Goodyear DS3 F1s (pardon me if I got the name wrong) and up until recently was set on getting those. I know they will be very close in performance to the RFTs (given that they're a Max performance summer tire). I've also recently been looking at the All-Season Pirelli PZero Nero (excuse me again with the nomenclature) and am considering going for these now. I live in the Bay Area and so don't really need the all-season capabilities, but I'm tempted by a quieter and potentially softer ride and a savings of about $150-$200.

What do you guys think? Anyone driven on both? My previous '03 E46 with sport pkg had the 17inch all seasons and I drove that car very aggressively and never once felt like it lacked grip.

BTW, my E90 is a 330i with sport pkg and 162s.

Appreciate everyone's help!

Asiann · 09-26-2006, 03:22 PM

The F1's are fine at first and then they get noisy as they wear down in tread. If you can, get the Mich PS2's for just over 1K. I did extensive research too and the Mich are a better choice atleast for me.

bavarian19 · 09-26-2006, 04:14 PM

I have had the all season pirelli's before. They are an amazing tire. They have 99% of the traction of a summer performance tire, and do really well in snow (as I have had to use it before).

I would suggest that you get the Pirelli's if you need year round tires. They are spectacular!!!

VoyagerDude · 09-26-2006, 04:22 PM

Michelin PS2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rocks:

bavarian19 · 09-26-2006, 05:06 PM

By the way... those Pirelli Tires are really quiet... especially in comparison to the RF's...

Hunter399 · 09-26-2006, 05:31 PM

F1s

My friend had PS2s on his R32

The sidewall on those things are SO soft that they seperated from the rim leaving him with a broken back

Tee orginal PS were MUCH better than the PS2

Goodyear all the way

VoyagerDude · 09-26-2006, 05:36 PM

Sorry to hear about your friend. Hope he's better.
I really like the PS2, I used to have the old PS on my car before.

What is an R32? VW?

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunter399

F1s

My friend had PS2s on his R32

The sidewall on those things are SO soft that they seperated from the rim leaving him with a broken back

Tee orginal PS were MUCH better than the PS2

Goodyear all the way

ward · 09-26-2006, 08:38 PM

pirelli is the crap

not a fan of that breed myself.

eagles or ps-2's or re50A pole positions

voodoo22 · 09-27-2006, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bavarian19

I have had the all season pirelli's before. They are an amazing tire. They have 99% of the traction of a summer performance tire, and do really well in snow (as I have had to use it before).

I would suggest that you get the Pirelli's if you need year round tires. They are spectacular!!!

I second that. I had pirelli's in the past on my e46 and their all seasons are amazing. Quiet, great grip in dry, wet and snow and long lasting. When I replace the tires on my e90, they will most likely be pirelli's.

mds82 · 09-27-2006, 09:31 AM

i have a set of goodyear eagle f1 Gs-D3 and i love them. i think that they are quite and the traction is amazing

zamboni · 09-27-2006, 01:32 PM

Michelin PS2.

unxdawg · 09-27-2006, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamboni

Michelin PS2.

PS2s would be ideal, but are over my budget.

For those of you guys who've used the Goodyear's, any issues with noise as they wear down? I've read a couple of threads about this.

Also, alot ppl's reviews of tires tend to be of a new non-RF set with only a few hundred or so miles vs. their old RFTs with several thousand miles. Do the positive attributes of good handling, better ride, less tramlining etc. hold up after several thousand miles on the non-RF sets? That's another thing I'm curious about.

Thanks again, everyone, for your comments.

bavarian19 · 09-27-2006, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unxdawg

PS2s would be ideal, but are over my budget.

For those of you guys who've used the Goodyear's, any issues with noise as they wear down? I've read a couple of threads about this.

Also, alot ppl's reviews of tires tend to be of a new non-RF set with only a few hundred or so miles vs. their old RFTs with several thousand miles. Do the positive attributes of good handling, better ride, less tramlining etc. hold up after several thousand miles on the non-RF sets? That's another thing I'm curious about.

Thanks again, everyone, for your comments.

I have had more miles on the Pirelli's than I have had all together on OEM RF's. I racked up about 10k miles on those Pirelli tires and they were amazing...

bavarian19 · 09-27-2006, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ward

pirelli is the crap

not a fan of that breed myself.

eagles or ps-2's or re50A pole positions

... and have you specifically driven your E90 on the Pirelli tires the OP was asking? I think you might change your opinion if that was the case...

Pirelli may have treated you differently in the past with another vehicle and another tire. But these tires are pretty darn good...

ward · 09-27-2006, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bavarian19

... and have you specifically driven your E90 on the Pirelli tires the OP was asking? I think you might change your opinion if that was the case...

Pirelli may have treated you differently in the past with another vehicle and another tire. But these tires are pretty darn good...

the stock pirelli's on my E90 sucked, the Pirelli's I had on my earler 3 series also sucked.

2 bad sets of rubber is enough to discourage me, especially when I haven't run across a bad michelin, bridgestone, or yokohama yet.

pirelli 0/2 were good (euphoria, p400)
michelin 2/2 were good (both PS2's)
bridgestone 3/3 were good (s-03, re50)
yoko's 4/4 were good (a509, avs intermediate)

E92Dutchie · 10-18-2006, 11:33 PM

Just put some Pirellis Pzero all-season on my E92 yesterday. Very nice, both in the rain and on dry roads. So much better than the stock RFTs of the ZSP. I'm sure the Washington fall and winter won't feel like a slipping and sliding experience now.

Carnage · 10-19-2006, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unxdawg

PS2s would be ideal, but are over my budget.

For those of you guys who've used the Goodyear's, any issues with noise as they wear down? I've read a couple of threads about this.

Also, alot ppl's reviews of tires tend to be of a new non-RF set with only a few hundred or so miles vs. their old RFTs with several thousand miles. Do the positive attributes of good handling, better ride, less tramlining etc. hold up after several thousand miles on the non-RF sets? That's another thing I'm curious about.

Thanks again, everyone, for your comments.

I've got about 13K on my GY F1's and there are no noise issues so far. They've held up very well and are much better than the OEM run-flats that came on the car. I will be buying another set of them.

remmib · 10-20-2006, 08:02 AM

I've got the Pirelli PZero Nero, and I like'm alot

JIMD1709 · 10-20-2006, 04:25 PM

I've got 15K on My F1 GSD3's, love 'em, awesome grip wet or dry. No noise, and treadwear is a non-issue so far. I have 19", 235 front / 265 rear, if that helps.

crqflier · 10-25-2006, 10:30 PM

P Zero Nero (non M+S) = worst tire I've ever had on my M3 (in 9 years). Freeway driving during the first 3K miles was an unpredictable adventure - the tires were so squirrely they followed every groove in the pavement, boardering on dangerous. Grip was so-so.

PS2 = By far the best tire I've had. Worth every dime.

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unxdawg Private First Class 4 Rep 158 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA iTrader: (0)	Goodbye Runflats -- Goodyear F1s or Pirelli PNero Zero? Hi Guys - So I'm gearing up on replacing the Runflats, too harsh for me. I'm beginning to really dread my daily commute. I spent alot of time reading about the Goodyear DS3 F1s (pardon me if I got the name wrong) and up until recently was set on getting those. I know they will be very close in performance to the RFTs (given that they're a Max performance summer tire). I've also recently been looking at the All-Season Pirelli PZero Nero (excuse me again with the nomenclature) and am considering going for these now. I live in the Bay Area and so don't really need the all-season capabilities, but I'm tempted by a quieter and potentially softer ride and a savings of about $150-$200. What do you guys think? Anyone driven on both? My previous '03 E46 with sport pkg had the 17inch all seasons and I drove that car very aggressively and never once felt like it lacked grip. BTW, my E90 is a 330i with sport pkg and 162s. Appreciate everyone's help! __________________ Past: 1995 Montreal Blue/Tan 325i Manual, then 2003 Topaz Blue/Natural Brown 325i Manual, 2006 TiAg/Black/Aluminum 330i ZPP ZSP Step NAV Sat Prep [B]Current: 2007 550i
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