Any vendor is willing to make such an intake ?

e.n335 · 12-31-2009, 09:07 AM

Hi,

as we could see. the Mr. 5 solution is as good as DCI's and as the new Dinan intake.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333538

Is there a vendor who is interested to develop such an optimized product ? Unless there is nothing to argue I'd prefer the filter(s) behind the driver side headlight and compatibility with various charge-pipes ( DV's and BOV's ).

IMO such an intake would be easy to maintain and to be removed ( in case a cover would be content of the kit to close the hole in the stock airbox ). Keep the space behind the fender for the BMW performance kit.

Cheers,
Eugen

ar design · 12-31-2009, 09:30 AM

Hmmm. So what would this kit include? A pre-drilled OEM box?

e.n335 · 12-31-2009, 09:35 AM

No. Everything except the airbox.

ar design · 12-31-2009, 09:38 AM

Hard piping, or silicone?

TurboBimmer · 12-31-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ar design

Hard piping, or silicone?

Whatever is the best

scalbert · 12-31-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ar design

Hmmm. So what would this kit include? A pre-drilled OEM box?

Core would mostly likely be needed as the OEM box is $500+.

After taking some measurements last night, the stock could be larger. I wonder if increasing the overall size, via a new lid, could yield gains?

cn555ic · 12-31-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ar design

Hard piping, or silicone?

A template to cut into the OEM box included with a hard pipe would be nice that is mandrel bent to go down into the bumper like the UR piping or the Stett piping would be nice...If you offered it in CF it would be even nicer...

i2iSTUDIOS · 12-31-2009, 09:43 AM

I think it should include the following:

-Template for making the hole in stock airbox
-the plumming
-the filter
-instructions for making hole next to fog lamps
-if possible making it ram air like from the fog lamp area as well
-plug for stock airbox if need to remove the plumming

e.n335 · 12-31-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ar design

Hard piping, or silicone?

Hard piping. Look where the 2 filters of the Injen intake are located. I doubt that they are not compatible with any kind of charge-pipe, DV's or BOV's. Then run a hard-pipe to the stock airbox, smooth bends. And please, provide a cover for the hole so that there is no need to buy a new airbox once you sell the car.

jcarlucci1 · 12-31-2009, 09:46 AM

Why not just integrate the new piping into the lid, instead of cutting holes in a $500 airbox?

e.n335 · 12-31-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cn555ic

A template to cut into the OEM box included with a hard pipe would be nice that is mandrel bent to go down into the bumper like the UR piping or the Stett piping would be nice...If you offered it in CF it would be even nicer...

You probably would need this space for the additional coolant radiator of the BMW Performance kit.

e.n335 · 12-31-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

Why not just integrate the new piping into the lid, instead of cutting holes in a $500 airbox?

Once the intake will be removed, it's not that flashy.

Muffnbluff · 12-31-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

Why not just integrate the new piping into the lid, instead of cutting holes in a $500 airbox?

Agreed. Essentially what we'd be asking for is a blatant rip off of the Dinan intake for a fraction of the price.

e.n335 · 12-31-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Muffnbluff

Agreed. Essentially what we'd be asking for is a blatant rip off of the Dinan intake for a fraction of the price.

Well, in case of AR could provide the lids, perfect. AFAIK you cannot purchase them without the airbox. There is still the question where the filter(s) should be, I think behind the headlight would be best.

jcarlucci1 · 12-31-2009, 10:10 AM

yeah basically. $1000 is insane for a new lid with a filter attached.

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Originally Posted by Muffnbluff

Agreed. Essentially what we'd be asking for is a blatant rip off of the Dinan intake for a fraction of the price.

jcarlucci1 · 12-31-2009, 10:11 AM

I guess thats the question..I assumed the lid could be bought separately

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Originally Posted by e.n335

Well, in case of AR could provide the lids, perfect. AFAIK you cannot purchase them without the airbox. There is still the question where the filter(s) should be, I think behind the headlight would be best.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 12-31-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by scalbert

Core would mostly likely be needed as the OEM box is $500+.

After taking some measurements last night, the stock could be larger. I wonder if increasing the overall size, via a new lid, could yield gains?

A year ago BMS made a a few high volume/high flow lid prototypes and they didn't add much if any power. They determine the restriction was in the 4x3 inlet. They also worked on a concept similar to Dinan, including prototyping, but were not able to improve 40-120mph times vs. the dual cone so put it on hold.

Mike

Mr. 5 · 12-31-2009, 11:15 AM

It's hard to believe that this didn't compare to the DCIs.
I think that the reason that this was dropped was because the DCI was much less expensive to produce than this.

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

A year ago BMS made a a few high volume/high flow lid prototypes and they didn't add much if any power. They determine the restriction was in the 4x3 inlet. They also worked on a concept similar to Dinan, including prototyping, but were not able to improve 40-120mph times vs. the dual cone so put it on hold.

Mike

dsswain · 12-31-2009, 11:17 AM

The high-flow lid intake appeals to me beacuse it looks "cleaner". It would also be the easiest to revert back to stock, with just a replacement of the lid back to OEM. The 335 is a pretty refined car and there is a market for refined intakes with similar/equal performance to the DCI's. The prototype above would have a market, even if it doesn't out perform DCI's, I say do it.

The power of these 335's is so cheap (coming from B5 S4) that I'd rather drop a premium on the few upgrades I'm going to do and do it right once, and keep it clean (not doing Dinan intake that $$ is just insane). Only thing I haven't figured out is how to get the power to the ground, I was spoiled with quattro and 450hp.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 12-31-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

It's hard to believe that this didn't compare to the DCIs.
I think that the reason that this was dropped was because the DCI was much less expensive to produce than this.

The lid based intake would be much more profitable than a dual cone intake IMHO. If enough of you guys want it harass BMS on their forum and get it revived.

Mike

Malaka1 · 12-31-2009, 12:41 PM

I think the performance gains from an intake are negligible when compared to a piggyback/flash/downpipes/exhaust.... Just get some dual cone intakes if you want to hear the turbos spooling up.

scalbert · 12-31-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

A year ago BMS made a a few high volume/high flow lid prototypes and they didn't add much if any power. They determine the restriction was in the 4x3 inlet. They also worked on a concept similar to Dinan, including prototyping, but were not able to improve 40-120mph times vs. the dual cone so put it on hold.

The inlet is a concern I had and worried about the power. But from what I recalled, they just increased the area over the intake tube inlets. I don't think, but could be wrong, they increased the overall volume of the lid. Do they still have it?

With the additional flow path lid, similar to Dinan, they didn't gain over DCI's but was it comparable? I don't think you can improve over the flow of DCI's, but if it can be equaled with something that is aesthetically better, there may be buyers. Did they have an idea on target price?

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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	Any vendor is willing to make such an intake ? Hi, as we could see. the Mr. 5 solution is as good as DCI's and as the new Dinan intake. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333538 Is there a vendor who is interested to develop such an optimized product ? Unless there is nothing to argue I'd prefer the filter(s) behind the driver side headlight and compatibility with various charge-pipes ( DV's and BOV's ). IMO such an intake would be easy to maintain and to be removed ( in case a cover would be content of the kit to close the hole in the stock airbox ). Keep the space behind the fender for the BMW performance kit. Cheers, Eugen
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ar design 297 Rep 4,408 Posts Drives: 04 M3 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Denver, CO iTrader: (9)	Hmmm. So what would this kit include? A pre-drilled OEM box?
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	No. Everything except the airbox.
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dsswain Private 1 Rep 97 Posts Drives: AW/E90/MT Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: MA iTrader: (0)	The high-flow lid intake appeals to me beacuse it looks "cleaner". It would also be the easiest to revert back to stock, with just a replacement of the lid back to OEM. The 335 is a pretty refined car and there is a market for refined intakes with similar/equal performance to the DCI's. The prototype above would have a market, even if it doesn't out perform DCI's, I say do it. The power of these 335's is so cheap (coming from B5 S4) that I'd rather drop a premium on the few upgrades I'm going to do and do it right once, and keep it clean (not doing Dinan intake that $$ is just insane). Only thing I haven't figured out is how to get the power to the ground, I was spoiled with quattro and 450hp.
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Malaka1 General 104 Rep 919 Posts Drives: F30 335i 6MT Black Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL iTrader: (6)	I think the performance gains from an intake are negligible when compared to a piggyback/flash/downpipes/exhaust.... Just get some dual cone intakes if you want to hear the turbos spooling up.
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