[jmar0351]

So I'm waiting for my car to get on the boat, but now I'm wondering if I should have optioned the comfort access as well. The monthly payments were really climbing up there with all my other options so I figured I could live without it, and I'm sure I will be fine.

So my buddy gets a new hundai coupe the other day. Only ~27k. He has the Hundai equivalent of CA. My car is ~55k. Anyone else see a problem with this?

BMW needs to step up their game and start offering some of their damn options for free when a &%@&^% Hundai thats less than half the MSRP has it....

[DenverJayhawk]

Hyundai's competitive advantage is loading all their calls with nearly every option standard and then pricing it affordably.

If you think BMW is bad, check out a Porsche.

[dday]

It comes down to whether you want a car that drives amazing well and has the option to have a bunch of tech or you want a car that drives ok but comes standard with a bunch of tech. I have no interest in CA and I'd rather have the option to pay for it or not. Let's be clear you are still paying for it in the Hyundai it's just baked in to the sales price.

[BTM]

Not another one of these threads...

Long story short - we pay a premium for BMWs because we prefer the way they drive. They allocate more resources to chassis development and engineering than Hyundai, which should be readily apparent in driving the two back to back. If you can't tell the difference between the two, you can get more options standard on many other cars, and you should go buy those. I'd gladly forgo Comfort Access to drive the car I drive - if all you care about is standard equipment and options, BMW is not the car for you. Thankfully, the auto market seems to be performing relatively efficiently, as there seems to be something for everyone.

[rickwjenn]

I would offer this perspective.

I just bought a new Hyundai Tucson and a new Honda Accord Coupe for my two daughters.

Both are clearly "value cars". While the Hyundai bristles with technology, it clearly is very bread and butter design. Look at the stamped parts, seat belt fasteners, underhood components, etcs. Great car for the money, but no BMW - not even close.

The Honda is less glitzy and far more refined from an engineering point of view but pretty basic. Typical honda - right down the middle without any risk or sizzle.

I just got an 2011 BMW Coupe and is is miles apart from Hyundai (even the Genesis coupe). The driving refinement, fit and finish, etc. are worth every dollar to me.

[jmar0351]

Jesus Christ I didn't want a bunch of "our bmw drives well" responses....
I know that, thats why I have a 2011 335i on order... I just think its silly that a 55k car doesn't have it. I like that people can disagree with me!!
BUT when bmw owners fall back on the "it drives well" excuse for everything you just doing a disservice to yourself and future owners.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by jmar0351

I just think its silly that a 55k car doesn't have it.

You bought the wrong car for you, when you get it trade it in for a Hyundai

[jmar0351]

Originally Posted by BTM

You bought the wrong car for you, when you get it trade it in for a Hyundai

Thanks dad!

*edit*
I really do get what you guys are saying... My current car is a 08 tl s type... had all the options I could ask for but it just isn't that fun to drive.
I'm just a little shocked at how brainwashed you guys are. Once i'm in my car for a few weeks I'll prob have to come on and post an apology, but until then....

[Kalud]

Originally Posted by jmar0351

Jesus Christ I didn't want a bunch of "our bmw drives well" responses....
I know that, thats why I have a 2011 335i on order... I just think its silly that a 55k car doesn't have it. I like that people can disagree with me!!
BUT when bmw owners fall back on the "it drives well" excuse for everything you just doing a disservice to yourself and future owners.

Well, I must admit that I agree with you...

[Couch]

If you're already spending $55k, what's another $500?

The way I look at it is if I'm already spending thousands and an option I want is $500, why wouldn't I get it? When you buy something like a car and your second guessing an option, get it. Because you'll regret not getting it later.

[BTM]

I'm serious, and actually it's not stupid that a 55k BMW doesn't have it, because there are obviously people out there (like you) who will pay 55k for a BMW without CA. The first response was completely accurate - Hyundai's don't drive as well so they need to gain competitive advantage in other ways - by offering great value for money ie great warranty, lots of gadgets, for minimal cost. BMWs have a competitive advantage over Hyundai from a driving perspective, and most of us are paying for just that, not for a bunch of gadgets. If you don't like it, I welcome you to explore the many other options the market has to offer.

[rickwjenn]

Why the "Jesus Christ...."? You bitch about a few hundred dollar option compared to a Korean value manufacturer after buying a BMW????

So lets make you feel better:

Turbo charged engine
Superior Transmission
Better Interior Materials
Superior Driver layout of instruments, controls, etc
Far better tuned chassis
Better Nav System (i have used the Hyundai, Honda, and BMW)
You know we could keep going here.....


Now about packaging:

The Hyundai base car is pretty basic - you have to add packages to get the CA
Honda is simpler but you still have only three choices - LX, EX, EX W/Nav

BMW let's you pick from a myriad of options - works for some, but maybe not you.

Oh yeah, let's get back to the prime mission here - driving. BMW is superior hands down.

Maybe you need to cancel your order and get a Hyundai - sounds like a few hundred dollar option is giving you buyers remorse.

[jmar0351]

Originally Posted by Couch

If you're already spending $55k, what's another $500?

The way I look at it is if I'm already spending thousands and an option I want is $500, why wouldn't I get it? When you buy something like a car and your second guessing an option, get it. Because you'll regret not getting it later.

I don't ever put my other keys along with my cars key because I don't like the dangling.
I didn't think I wanted it until my friend just got into the car and just started it up. At the dealer when I was ordering it I figured I would save the 10 or so bucks a month since it didn't impress me. *shrug*

[hmmcolor]

Would you have been more comfortable if the Hyundai was $26.5k with a $500 CA option? Because if I was buying a Hyundai I would be pissed I couldn't take it off and save money.

[derrick603]

Originally Posted by jmar0351

I know that, thats why I have a 2011 335i on order... I just think its silly that a 55k car doesn't have it. I like that people can disagree with me!!

Why is it silly? If you want it, check the box and get it. Should everyone be forced to pay an extra $500 for CA even if they don't want it?

[BTM]

Originally Posted by jmar0351

I'm just a little shocked at how brainwashed you guys are. Once i'm in my car for a few weeks I'll prob have to come on and post an apology, but until then....

Not sure how we are all brainwashed for preferring the way a car drives to the number of options it has, just because there are people who value different aspects of a cars performance differently than you yourself may, does not imply anything further about their "state of mind" and to indicate that it does says a lot more about yours

[2kaccordocoupe]

Originally Posted by BTM

I'm serious, and actually it's not stupid that a 55k BMW doesn't have it, because there are obviously people out there (like you) who will pay 55k for a BMW without CA. The first response was completely accurate - Hyundai's don't drive as well so they need to gain competitive advantage in other ways - by offering great value for money ie great warranty, lots of gadgets, for minimal cost. BMWs have a competitive advantage over Hyundai from a driving perspective, and most of us are paying for just that, not for a bunch of gadgets. If you don't like it, I welcome you to explore the many other options the market has to offer.

+1
You gotta pay a premium price to have goodies on a premium brand. I fully support this marketing initiative.

[jmar0351]

Originally Posted by James_Squire

No, I don't have a problem with it. You can't buy even the most basic 3 series model for $55K USD where I come from... Do you still think you have it bad?

I would assume that on average you have access to much better beer than I do, so i don't have as much remorse for you.

To everyone else, I know the car is superior in every way.
I guess I worded it very poorly. I'm more upset that my car is already being built and now I can't add it. I saw CA as just another option that I didn't really need, now I saw it and liked it. I do like all the options the car has, I just wish ca was standard so I wouldn't have had the option to leave it out in the first place.

[BTM]

Originally Posted by jmar0351

I saw CA as just another option that I didn't really need, now I saw it and liked it. I do like all the options the car has, I just wish ca was standard so I wouldn't have had the option to leave it out in the first place.

Ok so...

Originally Posted by jmar0351

I need to step up my game and start doing my own damn research before finalizing my order instead of projecting my own shortcomings as a consumer onto the brand itself

FTFY

[rickwjenn]

Originally Posted by jmar0351

I don't ever put my other keys along with my cars key because I don't like the dangling.
I didn't think I wanted it until my friend just got into the car and just started it up. At the dealer when I was ordering it I figured I would save the 10 or so bucks a month since it didn't impress me. *shrug*

This is the heart of the problem - you are trying to fit a $55k car into your monthly budget - if you were optimizing on $10 per month, you are buying way too much car IMO

[kaishang]

Originally Posted by James_Squire

No, I don't have a problem with it. You can't buy even the most basic 3 series model for $55K USD where I come from... Do you still think you have it bad?

+1 on that .

Which high vehicle tax juristiction do you come from?

[akack79]

Originally Posted by rickwjenn

The is the heart of the problem - you are trying to fit a $55k car into your monthly budget - if you were optimizing on $10 per month, you are buying way too much car IMO