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      02-08-2007, 10:40 AM   #1
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Seriously,let's get real!

Hi guy's!Im trolling around here quite a lot in anticipation of the new M3 as im probably 1 of the first to have ordered 1 in Scotland but come on,some of the performance figure's that people are talking about have GOT to be way off the mark!Their is No feckin way that the m3 will hae a 4.4 0-60 time,it's got to be around the 4.9 mark as expected by most mag's!Also for the horsepower figure's like 420 odd and shit like that it just doesn't seem logical!I hope im wrong as i would love the new m3 to have all the figure's that folk are going on about but i just can't see it to be honest!The only way i can see credibility to people's argument's is the fact that the 335i has a near enough time of 5.5 0-60 at the moment and that seem's like a no brainer that it should be so quick!Ive heard all the shit like"it's not a m though"So f*ck,it's still gonni be on it's arse most of the time!Sorry as im sure all this shit has already been posted but i just can't see how they are gonni make it so different to a 335i
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      02-08-2007, 10:42 AM   #2
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the e46 has 4.8 0-60. So u're saying this new one will be slower??

no way.
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      02-08-2007, 10:46 AM   #3
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the e46 has 4.8 0-60. So u're saying this new one will be slower??

no way.
Ok,ok!Im saying that it will probably be the same!Can you seriously see it being 4.2 or 4.4

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4.4 sounds ok to me, when using Launch Control.

what I wanna know is if Launch Control will be detuned in America and if the 6 speed manual will be so much slower like m5.
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4.4 sounds ok to me, when using Launch Control.

what I wanna know is if Launch Control will be detuned in America and if the 6 speed manual will be so much slower like m5.
Yeah,i heard about people complaining about the m5 manual not allowing you to turn the traction control completely off!What a barsteward
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Hi guy's!Im trolling around here quite a lot in anticipation of the new M3 as im probably 1 of the first to have ordered 1 in Scotland but come on,some of the performance figure's that people are talking about have GOT to be way off the mark!Their is No feckin way that the m3 will hae a 4.4 0-60 time,it's got to be around the 4.9 mark as expected by most mag's!Also for the horsepower figure's like 420 odd and shit like that it just doesn't seem logical!I hope im wrong as i would love the new m3 to have all the figure's that folk are going on about but i just can't see it to be honest!The only way i can see credibility to people's argument's is the fact that the 335i has a near enough time of 5.5 0-60 at the moment and that seem's like a no brainer that it should be so quick!Ive heard all the shit like"it's not a m though"So f*ck,it's still gonni be on it's arse most of the time!Sorry as im sure all this shit has already been posted but i just can't see how they are gonni make it so different to a 335i
STOP READING MAGAZINES! :mad:
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STOP READING MAGAZINES! :mad:
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      02-08-2007, 10:56 AM   #8
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they underestimate... the 335 and e46 m3 both do 0-60 in 4.8 / 4.9 the M3 HAS to be superior so the 4.4 guess is prolly almost accurate
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i think the 0-60 will be equal to the M5
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they underestimate... the 335 and e46 m3 both do 0-60 in 4.8 / 4.9 the M3 HAS to be superior so the 4.4 guess is prolly almost accurate

I hope so mate but it does seem a bit optimistic IMHO
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Hi guy's!Im trolling around here quite a lot in anticipation of the new M3 as im probably 1 of the first to have ordered 1 in Scotland but come on,some of the performance figure's that people are talking about have GOT to be way off the mark!Their is No feckin way that the m3 will hae a 4.4 0-60 time,it's got to be around the 4.9 mark as expected by most mag's!Also for the horsepower figure's like 420 odd and shit like that it just doesn't seem logical!I hope im wrong as i would love the new m3 to have all the figure's that folk are going on about but i just can't see it to be honest!The only way i can see credibility to people's argument's is the fact that the 335i has a near enough time of 5.5 0-60 at the moment and that seem's like a no brainer that it should be so quick!Ive heard all the shit like"it's not a m though"So f*ck,it's still gonni be on it's arse most of the time!Sorry as im sure all this shit has already been posted but i just can't see how they are gonni make it so different to a 335i

If the new M doesn't run at least a 4.6, BMW will lose numerous customers. There is way too much competition out there and much more imminently looming. For one, MB's SLK 63 AMG. (if they build it, and likely will) The new M will be at least $60k something. For that kind of money 4.9 0-60 isn't even fast.

In 2005 a 997S ran 0-60 in 3.9 (stock car). Granted Porsche has the rear engine weighted advantage, but the new M will have at least the same if not better power to weight, so certainly a 4.5 seems reasonable.
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they underestimate... the 335 and e46 m3 both do 0-60 in 4.8 / 4.9 the M3 HAS to be superior so the 4.4 guess is prolly almost accurate
According to BMW, the E46 M3 had a 0-60 of 5.2 for the Coupe and 5.3 for the Convertible, Car and Driver proved that under normal conditions, 4.8 was plausable.......So 4.4 sounds very reasonable considering magazine's claim a 0-60 of 4.8
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      02-08-2007, 11:28 AM   #13
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Why
because they suck. jk haha
they like to over/underestimate things...me no likey haha
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The RS4 does 4.3
why wont the the M3 match it with same power and lighter body?
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why wont the the M3 match it with same power and lighter body?
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Exactly!
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M3 should best the RS4, but it is formidable in the 0-60 mostly because of 4WD. Traction is a big limiting factor. It should best it for a few reasons. 1 Drastically superior power to weight, 2. No huge 4WD drivetrain power losses, 3. MARKETING! BMW has to best it most serious rival, plain and simple.

Also the (n+1)th generation M3 is almost always faster than the nth genertation M5 in the lower speeds. Not sure that can happen this time, as the M5 is damn fast, but with the power to weight it should have, nice low gears (BIG FACTOR) and enough rear rubber 4.2 - 4.4 is totally reasonable. Launch control will just make sure you can do it repeatedly. Bummer here for the US.

0-60 is actually on of my least concerns because I am confident BMW will deliver the goods there.
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I hope it's better than 4.9, though I would be surprised if it's as low as 4.2
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M3 should best the RS4, but it is formidable in the 0-60 mostly because of 4WD. Traction is a big limiting factor. It should best it for a few reasons. 1 Drastically superior power to weight, 2. No huge 4WD drivetrain power losses, 3. MARKETING! BMW has to best it most serious rival, plain and simple.

Also the (n+1)th generation M3 is almost always faster than the nth genertation M5 in the lower speeds. Not sure that can happen this time, as the M5 is damn fast, but with the power to weight it should have, nice low gears (BIG FACTOR) and enough rear rubber 4.2 - 4.4 is totally reasonable. Launch control will just make sure you can do it repeatedly. Bummer here for the US.

0-60 is actually on of my least concerns because I am confident BMW will deliver the goods there.
Don't forget that the RS4 does have an FSI engine that helps beef it up.
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Don't forget that the RS4 does have an FSI engine that helps beef it up.
Sure FSI is great. I really hope the M3 has DGI. Helps on power and mpg. However, power to weight is THE thing. 420 hp with or without FSI/DGI makes no difference in 0-60 or any other performance spec.
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      02-08-2007, 05:20 PM   #20
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Launch control will just make sure you can do it repeatedly
I don't think you can just use launch control endlessly. It warns you in the CSL Supplementary Owners Handbook that it causes severe wear to the cars parts.
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I don't think you can just use launch control endlessly. It warns you in the CSL Supplementary Owners Handbook that it causes severe wear to the cars parts.
Of course. You can use it until you fry your clutch. Until then it is 0-60 perfect every time! It's a shame that we have such a bad reputation as drag racers here in the US that they don't give us real launch control.


Anyone have any idea if you can get a EU program for a US SMG car to add real launch control?
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Of course. You can use it until you fry your clutch. Until then it is 0-60 perfect every time! It's a shame that we have such a bad reputation as drag racers here in the US that they don't give us real launch control.


Anyone have any idea if you can get a EU program for a US SMG car to add real launch control?
It has nothing to do with driver reputation, it's a simple legality issue. In the USA, you cannot provide/advertise a feature and then void a warranty because of it. In Europe this is not true.

I've heard of people doing it but specifics were hard to come by, furthermore, with modulating the gas with SMG properly you can often achieve better launches then using the program. Search on Roadlfy or M3Forum for more info.

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