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Dinan Stage 2 vs Cobb Stage 1 - Review
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04-03-2011, 10:51 PM | #1 | |
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Dinan Stage 2 vs Cobb Stage 1 - Review
I will first like to start off I have no relationship other than customer to any of these companies I had no sponsorship this will be done on my dime. I will state personal experience with both tunes. I am by no means a tuner are race car driver, just an everyday guy looking to see what I can do next on my car. I we also try to get the GIAC tune to compare to both Dinan and Cobb.
First some info: Car - 07 335i e92, car has 49,5XX miles and the Turbos were Warranty replaced 4,000 miles ago, 3rd HPFP, 2 injectors and just got the oil filter housing gaskets replaced 4 days ago. Upgrades - Dinan CAI, Forge DV, BMW Performance Exhaust. Reason for upgrading: The Car is out of the 4 year 50,000 warranty but I do have a CPO warranty up to 100,000. The car has been Dinan tuned for about 3 years now. NEVER had a problem. I want to add more power to the car. since my free service is done and I will be taking it to an independent shop for maintenance I have decided to add a couple of things to make the car even better. Cobb installation was a nightmare for the first go around, I posted this already on another thread so I'm just going to copy it here. Quote:
EDIT**** Adding in a video of my attempt to uninstall now for the results: Due to some issues I did not get the boost read outs for Dinan sorry. Run 4 is the Dinan and Run 10 is the Cobb. I will post a better Dyno pic once I figure out how to use the software. power number are: Dinan Stg 2 - 305 hp 321 tq Cobb Stg 1 - 319 hp 323 tq As you can see Cobb holds boost pretty well throughout the power band and is pushing about 50 hp/tq more around 6500 rpm. Dinan very smooth tune but really conservative and pulls back boost quickly. The Dinan tune is great very smooth power and for Daily driving was perfect. Cobb tune is a bit more aggressive nothing crazy but you notice right away. boost comes on strong and holds very well through the power band. I was not thrilled about the throttle sensitivity but as I read and other people have commented it can be tuned out. it's only been a couple of days so i'll let you know in a few day how the Cobb acts in my daily commute. Last edited by jzepeda; 04-13-2011 at 01:15 AM.. |
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04-04-2011, 08:19 AM | #2 |
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the Cobb must pull much harder up top. Dinan seems to fall on its face after 5700rpms which is quite poor.
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04-04-2011, 09:58 AM | #3 | |
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You have to know the sweet spot on each tune. The strong point on the Dinan is knowing when to shift. You cannot equally compare RPM shift points between the tunes then conclude one pulls harder than the other because its boost in RPM is longer. Dinan does die off on boost at 5500 RPM and Cobb continues to 6500 RPM. Like the OP said Dinan is more conservative. The catch here is when Dinan or Cobb is shifting where does the PSI on the boost pick up at ? Get my point now ? I am sure I will get a different graph if I was driving the Dinan tune cause I know when to shift and I know how it picks back up. The buttom line here is to see these two tunes race a 1/4 mile, of course though with me driving the Dinan tuned car :-D Dont get me wroing here, I will be going the Cobb route after my Dinan S3 when I have another car :-D Last edited by BQTuning; 04-04-2011 at 10:06 AM.. |
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04-04-2011, 10:07 AM | #4 | |
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04-04-2011, 10:11 AM | #5 |
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04-04-2011, 10:36 AM | #6 |
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I do, yes. I just had another ignition coil replaced with no problems and I have 76k miles on my car. I only had to pay the CPO deductible.
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04-04-2011, 11:16 AM | #7 |
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I know what you are saying about short shifting, but honestly that will not help you be faster than the Cobb tuned car based upon the above dyno.
you shouldnt need to short shift a car by over 1500rpms.....
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04-04-2011, 11:21 AM | #9 |
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I had the exact same problems flashing my car, with it dropping at 2%, then 99%, and it finally went through the 3rd time. I had to turn off the car completely, take my fob and AP out, and sit for about 30 seconds for the car to be completely off. It would then work after all this. Scared the crap out of me, and I'm kind of afraid to switch maps right now. Talking to Rob@Cobb he said it could be my battery (07 on original battery). I've never had any problems with my battery before and it works perfect so I'll prob go and get it tested and see how it's holding up.
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04-04-2011, 11:25 AM | #10 |
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u just run out of gears faster lol
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04-04-2011, 12:36 PM | #13 | |
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Dinan has held up to it's end of the bargain for me, it is not as strong as others but is no slouch by any means. it feels great for daily driving and never gave me a blip of an issue in the 3 years of running it. not to mention my dealer replaced every part that has failed. I had one conflict with the dealer delaying work and that was for the turbo replacment. I called Dan at Dinan they started working on the car the next day. |
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04-04-2011, 06:24 PM | #16 |
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My car was hooked up to a battery charger during the time of Cobb flash. I actually flash my car at EAS right after we ran the Dinan Dyno pulls. Took it off to the side hooked up the charger they use for their GIAC flashes, at one point I even asked Steve if I could just flash it to GIAC if I couldn't get it to work but in the end I was able to get it to load. I talked to Chris form cobb and it seems to be very few people they heard of this happening to. He will try to get back to me in a few days at this point I will test the cobb's other tunes and let you know what I find.
on another note, the car seems to be running good but I am noticing my oil temps have been a bit higher then when I was running Dinan. Dinan I was running around 230-240, Cobb seems to sit around 240-250. I feel the car idling better and deceleration seems to be smoother than Dinan. I am still not found of the throttle sensitivity and I don't like the half throttle surges it give me either, feels like I mashed on the gas pedal. but I'm also adjusting to the tune myself so we will see. I will probably contact them and see if I can get a tune with a less aggressive pedal calibration. Last edited by jzepeda; 04-04-2011 at 06:34 PM.. |
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BUT.... now I have the DPs, FMIC, DCI and the procede.... I have completely wasted 3 years to wait for the car to come out of warranty. The car is a flippin BEAST now. I should have put 2400 (took 150 bucks to remove Dinan) into the mods I have now. In retrospect, this would have been a better route.
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Interesting comparison/viewpoints. I'm impressed with Cobb. Since I'm not a street racer, and I am also a CPO onwer, I'll stick with Dinan S2 as it's been trouble-free and provides more than ample power, not to mention zero problems with the Dealer. With only 30K on the clock, and the car's title free and clear, I'll probably hang on to it for another few years. But the 335is sure is tempting...
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The idea of shifting early on a Dinan would simply just be the most ideal way of getting the most out of it. It will still fall short in the end. |
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04-04-2011, 07:47 PM | #20 | |
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It's not like Dinan doesn't know their tune is conservative. Lots of people like to bash their tune, but it's purposely tuned this way for longevity and to ease stress on the turbos. People make it sound like Dinan is puzzled their tune doesn't produce dyno queen numbers. They aren't. Dinan isn't going for the most power. They have a good balance of reliability, warranty, power, and customer service after sale. It's expensive, but you do get something for that extra money. I'd rather NOT have a JB3, Procede or other tune that doesn't want to match warranty and is too aggressive for my tastes. |
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04-05-2011, 12:02 PM | #21 |
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^^^^ Agree^^^^ If there is any tune, other than Dinan, that would be worthy in my eyes it would be Cobb, no doubt, to go on my car. Until I get another car, no other tune will touch it. My goal is Dinan S3, and even after this Dinan is suppose to have something in the custom field available upon request. They know the car very well. By that time Cobb should have already worked out all the sticks and stones with their AP software. Waste of money ? No, its only a waste of money to those who have regrets or who are unsatisfied. |
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