[Stage 2 Drew]

Didn't really know where to put this so its here. The 335 is a neighbors.

Mods:

335i AT Sedan - stock
srt4 - mopar stage 2, direct fit IC, turbo back exhaust, PCM controlled boost (peak of 16psi, 12psi at redline)

Cliff notes:

Dig: 335i (obviously)
any mph rolls: edge to srt4....1/2 to 1 car


open for any relevant discussions...

[JOYRIIDE1113]

Sounds about right...

[caesardog217]

was this a race or are you just guessing?

[HyperM3]

I dont know. AFAIK the SRT-4 runs out of steam as it goes. The 335 just keeps pulling. I think any car should be worried about any BMW in 3rd gear. That seems the be the longest and hardest pulling. Thats usually where I pulled ahead of other cars in the 1/4.

Again, its one of those things that you can debate about till your blue in the face until it really happens on the street. At that point, it could be all up to the driver.

[DrM]

Originally Posted by JOYRIIDE1113

Sounds about right...

That isn't even a fair fight. They are front wheel drive and only 230hp from the factory (although they do only weigh 2900 lbs). They are a good performance value though.

I was in town night before last easing away from a light when an SRT-4 tried to jump me about half way through the intersection as I was easing away from the light (about 20mph). I know that it at least had an aftermarket exhaust. I guess that he thought that I was trying to race because I like to wind out first gear (I just like the sound )

Just to play, I floored it, lit up the back tires, and walked away from him (many car lengths but I shut down about 45ish). It is amazing the power that the 335 has in the lower RPMs.

I think that the Evos and Subaru's are much closer competition to the 335, although I haven't played with any of them yet. I prefer to compare times on the autocross course, where the Miata's and the Mini's routinely eat everyone's lunch

[Tropicool]

Originally Posted by DrM

That isn't even a fair fight. They are front wheel drive and only 230hp from the factory (although they do only weigh 2900 lbs). They are a good performance value though.

I was in town night before last easing away from a light when an SRT-4 tried to jump me about half way through the intersection as I was easing away from the light (about 20mph). I know that it at least had an aftermarket exhaust. I guess that he thought that I was trying to race because I like to wind out first gear (I just like the sound )

Just to play, I floored it, lit up the back tires, and walked away from him (many car lengths but I shut down about 45ish). It is amazing the power that the 335 has in the lower RPMs.

I think that the Evos and Subaru's are much closer competition to the 335, although I haven't played with any of them yet. I prefer to compare times on the autocross course, where the Miata's and the Mini's routinely eat everyone's lunch

true, ive played with a few evos and sti's. seem to be pretty close. every time it has been a drivers race.

[fusionchicken]

sounds about right. the srt-4 is worthless from a dig (as with any FWD with torque), but the engine responds to mods pretty well (2.4L turbo) and it has less drivetrain loss since it's FWD+ front engine, so it moves pretty well of a roll.

big powered srt-4's are useless under 4th gear though....the powerplant is good but not the selection of propelling wheels.

[turbocoins]

+1 on the question if this is an actual race or just speculation??

I wouldn't guess that the SRT-4 with light mods like that could take the 335 i at any speed. But I don't know.

[Stage 2 Drew]

Originally Posted by caesardog217

was this a race or are you just guessing?

actual race

[Stage 2 Drew]

Originally Posted by DrM

Just to play, I floored it, lit up the back tires, and walked away from him (many car lengths but I shut down about 45ish). It is amazing the power that the 335 has in the lower RPMs.

so u lit up the back tires AND walked away from him

srt wasnt racing

[turbocoins]

I guess that I sit corrected. I had an '03 Evo. I have driven the SRT-4 (stock), and I have a 335i. My butt dyno told me that the SRT-4 was slower than any of the others (although I never owned or leased one). By the way, the butt dyno is more accurate than some of the others, IMHO.

However, I really don't know what the mods would do.

[GTGeo96]

a good friend of mine has a VERY VERYYYYY modified SRT and anything from a roll is all him, that car just pulls like crazy after 40mph, but out of the hole i have him, and after 100, i start to catch up again.

[Cornhusker]

Who knows what it can do with mods. People have built up 2.4 turbo's that could easily walk 335i's. All I know is that with the same mods, procede, turboback, and a larger intercooler, I'm sure we'd be pushing 340-350whp and 410 wt. And would obviously walk this srt-4. No offense to OP but I can't stand fwd anything. My buddies turbo civic was the worst fast car I've ever driven.

[Stage 2 Drew]

Stock cars pounds per hp ratios:

SRT4 weight = ~2900 lbs
SRT4 whp = ~220whp

Stock 13:1 & with 250whp = 11.6:1

335i weight = ~3600 lbs
335i whp = ~260whp

Stock 13.8 & with procede 315whp = 11.4:1

btw-I hate bench racing, just putting down numbers. I will try and hit the dyno tomorrow. I am dying to know how much power I'm making.

[Stage 2 Drew]

Originally Posted by Cornhusker

Who knows what it can do with mods. People have built up 2.4 turbo's that could easily walk 335i's. All I know is that with the same mods, procede, turboback, and a larger intercooler, I'm sure we'd be pushing 340-350whp and 410 wt. And would obviously walk this srt-4. No offense to OP but I can't stand fwd anything. My buddies turbo civic was the worst fast car I've ever driven.

you shouldnt compare the PROcede to a Mopar staged ECU. The only fair way Id even remotely compare the two is if the SRT4 was tuned with either an AFC or a map clamp.

But yeah, a PROcede'd 335 would walk all over me right now and Id be willing to get some footage of me losing for entertainment purposes.

[Cornhusker]

Originally Posted by Stage 2 Drew

Stock cars pounds per hp ratios:

SRT4 weight = ~2900 lbs
SRT4 whp = ~220whp

Stock 13:1 & with 250whp = 11.6:1

335i weight = ~3600 lbs
335i whp = ~260whp

Stock 13.8 & with procede 315whp = 11.4:1

btw-I hate bench racing, just putting down numbers. I will try and hit the dyno tomorrow. I am dying to know how much power I'm making.

Typical stock whp is 270 not 260. Also, turboback is good for another 30 whp.

Proced whp is 320 plus at least 20whp for turboback equals 340whp on 91 oct. We haven't seen any procede plus turboback results yet.

Now why don't you do the Torque to weight ratio's, Procede plus turboback's put down 400 plus to the wheels.

[Cornhusker]

Originally Posted by Cornhusker

Typical procede whp is 270 not 260. Also, turboback is good for another 30 whp.

Proced whp is 320 plus at least 20whp for turboback equals 340whp on 91 oct. We haven't seen any procede plus turboback results yet.

Now why don't you do the Torque to weight ratio's, Procede plus turboback's put down 400 plus to the wheels.

Sedan's weigh 3590.

=10.5 lbs per whp @340 whp

=8.97 lbs per wt @400

[Stage 2 Drew]

Originally Posted by Cornhusker

Typical procede whp is 270 not 260. Also, turboback is good for another 30 whp.

Proced whp is 320 plus at least 20whp for turboback equals 340whp on 91 oct. We haven't seen any procede plus turboback results yet.

Now why don't you do the Torque to weight ratio's, Procede plus turboback's put down 400 plus to the wheels.

I just picked the numbers from my head, feel free to edit it with numbers youd like. It just shows appox lbs:hp ratios of 2 cars a certain HP levels and is not indicative of all cars.

I wasnt trying to compare a turbobackd 335 to a turbobackd SRT4.

you win, I lose

I took AVERAGE numbers for both cars. Can you show me 5-10 335 dynos of 340whp? I could show you 50+ dynod of bolt on srt4 with over 250whp.

Im done...

[Cornhusker]

Originally Posted by Stage 2 Drew

I just picked the numbers from my head, feel free to edit it with numbers youd like. It just shows appox lbs:hp ratios of 2 cars a certain HP levels and is not indicative of all cars.

I wasnt trying to compare a turbobackd 335 to a turbobackd SRT4.

you win, I lose

I took AVERAGE numbers for both cars. Can you show me 5-10 335 dynos of 340whp? I could show you 50+ dynod of bolt on srt4 with over 250whp.

Im done...

No, I can't, like I said, there are not turboback plus procede dynos yet, only supersprint makes a tuboback. It's 8k, were all waiting for someone to come down, the catback's are selling for 12-1500.

There are procede plus catback. I believe they are 330-340 whp, 390-405 wt. From what I've seen. Downpipe should be good for another 10 whp/10+ wt.

[GTGeo96]

Originally Posted by Cornhusker

Who knows what it can do with mods. People have built up 2.4 turbo's that could easily walk 335i's. All I know is that with the same mods, procede, turboback, and a larger intercooler, I'm sure we'd be pushing 340-350whp and 410 wt. And would obviously walk this srt-4. No offense to OP but I can't stand fwd anything. My buddies turbo civic was the worst fast car I've ever driven.

Ill +1 that

Im sorry but a FWD car cant be a performance car.... theres a reason why all the drag cars, formula cars, nascar, Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, mercedes, all these performance car companies even my F$%kin go-cart uses a RWD platform. im impressed by their times, but i will never own a FWD car.

[Terry335]

I used to have a stage 1 SRT4 with a few mods (offroad downpipe, 3" exhaust, etc), they are quick, but horrible off the line. Traction at the top of gears is also a problem. SRT4s struggle to run mid 13s with mods, but the 335 runs that stock. With a PROcede the 335 can run in the high 12 range on street tires.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Cornhusker

No, I can't, like I said, there are not turboback plus procede dynos yet, only supersprint makes a tuboback. It's 8k, were all waiting for someone to come down, the catback's are selling for 12-1500.

There are procede plus catback. I believe they are 330-340 whp, 390-405 wt. From what I've seen. Downpipe should be good for another 10 whp/10+ wt.

I think with downpipes, you would be looking at more than 10whp/10tq. The gains would be substantial. The Supersprint is way overpriced.