[SuperBmw]

Which of these two setups on the same car would end up faster?

The cost to setup both is fairly similar and I'm curious to know which one gives the greatest return.

I don't really care about "piggy vs. tune" drama, just want to simply know which setup would be faster on the street or if it would be pretty much the same.

[hemi to e90]

pigs fly?

ps probably a piggy

[pHo_e92]

IMO FBO stage 2+ aggressive would win against piggy only with meth. But if it was piggy FBO+meth then that would be faster for sure.

[rader1]

If you're asking if tune+meth only will be faster than FBO+tune then the answer is maybe. The devil is in the details and it's impossible to make a blanket statement. Especially now that ATR is available.

The engine will like the Bolt-ons better IMHO.

[themyst]

Stage2+FMIC agrees with certain cars more so than others. We've seen the results. People have trapped as high as 117 mph, and on the same token there are FBO + Meth cars that do the same thing. We've also seen Stage2+FMIC cars trap 111-112.

FWIW, I've done 118 MPH on Cobb's alpha race map at the track, 119 MPH on the VBOX on a 0% slope. Never tried Stage2+FMIC, but I would guess 115-116.

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by themyst

Stage2+FMIC agrees with certain cars more so than others. We've seen the results. People have trapped as high as 117 mph, and on the same token there are FBO + Meth cars that do the same thing. We've also seen Stage2+FMIC cars trap 111-112.

FWIW, I've done 118 MPH on Cobb's alpha race map at the track, 119 MPH on the VBOX on a 0% slope. Never tried Stage2+FMIC, but I would guess 115-116.

they really have some great tune names

[benzy89]

For "normal" street/daily driving, the FBO car will have more usable power. The minute you get out onto the highway or a long street, the Tune + Meth car might edge it out.

I'd rather have the FBO car (and I do ) and always have access to that additional power

[themyst]

Originally Posted by benzy89

For "normal" street/daily driving, the FBO car will have more usable power. The minute you get out onto the highway or a long street, the Tune + Meth car might edge it out.

I'd rather have the FBO car (and I do ) and always have access to that additional power

? Why can't you always have access to meth? Just make sure the tank is full.

I just run off meth most of the time because my dual nozzle setup saps a full one gallon tank in one night of hard driving

[benzy89]

I don't have meth on my car, but I've been in a meth car & it hits hard. SO just me, but I wouldn't feel "comfy" running meth while driving around on public/suburban streets.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by benzy89

I don't have meth on my car, but I've been in a meth car & it hits hard. SO just me, but I wouldn't feel "comfy" running meth while driving around on public/suburban streets.

LOL, so don't go WOT.

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by benzy89

I don't have meth on my car, but I've been in a meth car & it hits hard. SO just me, but I wouldn't feel "comfy" running meth while driving around on public/suburban streets.

That's why you do FBO and meth. Switch to a meth map when you want it via steering wheel with the piggies

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by themyst

LOL, so don't go WOT.

Originally Posted by E90Company

That's why you do FBO and meth. Switch to a meth map when you want it via steering wheel with the piggies

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by benzy89

[dfv2]

easily cobb if you have access to good gas and don't mind playing with ATR, cobb stg2+ is a pretty weak map imho.

[badass335]

Originally Posted by themyst

? Why can't you always have access to meth? Just make sure the tank is full.

I just run off meth most of the time because my dual nozzle setup saps a full one gallon tank in one night of hard driving

So true! That's why I run a 2.5gal and even that goes down pretty fast but I haven't 'run' out yet.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by dfv2

easily cobb if you have access to good gas and don't mind playing with ATR, cobb stg2+ is a pretty weak map imho.

I've seen the Stage2+FMIC tables in ATR, there's a little more you can safely extract with more fuel and a hair more timing, especially mid range. I would guess it's worth 10-15 whp over the OTS map provided your car's happy with the increases on your locales pump gas.

On meth, have at it. Find MBT and dial it down a notch after street logging, which will be somewhere around stock timing if not a little lower under sustained load.

[JamesM3M5]

Gotta say I'm a meth addict. Procede+PWM meth=big grins and no meth "hit" feeling. Just smooth, linear, easy to modulate acceleration. I could definitely go for a little more power with more mods (still otherwise 100% stock), but all in due time. I use about a gallon of water/meth mix in 2-3 weeks unless I'm really pushing it. But with all the cops our here in NoVA, you just can't get away with it for long.

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by JamesM3M5

But with all the cops our here in NoVA, you just can't get away with it for long.

Random but how are the cops in VA with radar detectors?? Since they're kinda illegal

[Syndicategt]

It's been proven time and time again that (pick your piggy) + meth will easily out preform FBO if both running pump gas. Factoring in race fuel (MS109) will allow the FBO to run more advanced timing, closing the gap of running methanol. Check out some trap times and dyno delta's for the proof. If you are tight on modding funds, get the piggy + meth.....it's the best bang for the buck.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

I've raced DCI, PROCDE stage 2 maps, Meth 335i (Solid 400WHP setup) VS a 135i Cobb Stg2+ FBO and it was an insanely close race. The edge would likely go to methanol after 130 MPH.

Hopefully that answers your question.

If I added Downpipes with stage 3 maps on procede i would have had the race no problem. Intercooler would be a bigger + too.

[AU335i]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

I've raced DCI, PROCDE stage 2 maps, Meth 335i (Solid 400WHP setup) VS a 135i Cobb Stg2+ FBO and it was an insanely close race. The edge would likely go to methanol after 130 MPH.

Hopefully that answers your question.

If I added Downpipes with stage 3 maps on procede i would have had the race no problem. Intercooler would be a bigger + too.

or if you would have raced a 335i Stg2+FBO?

135's are lighter so in theory they should be faster than a 335i with same mods right?

like i've said before, I've never seen a COBB Stg.2+ 335i run 117-118 with an OTS map. 135's seem like the only ones that can hit that... guess being that much lighter makes a good difference?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by AU335i

or if you would have raced a 335i Stg2+FBO?

135's are lighter so in theory they should be faster than a 335i with same mods right?

like i've said before, I've never seen a COBB Stg.2+ 335i run 117-118 with an OTS map. 135's seem like the only ones that can hit that... guess being that much lighter makes a good difference?

If I raced a 335i with Stage 2+ FBO I think i would have been a touch faster because of the weight difference. The reality is the 135i I raced had a 250lb driver and I only weigh 170 on good day. The difference between the weight of our cars themselves is 180 lbs, so the 135i was maybe 100lbs lighter at best.

My biggest problem with my personal 335i was I had 19's and rubber band tires so I could barely hook first or 2nd gear even from a roll. I always had to play catch up in 3rd and 4th gear in all my races. I almost contemplated driving on Drag radials haha

I ended up dialing down the mid-range power with the PROcede using stage 1 boost tables in the mid-range and stage 3 boost tables on the top end for the perfect linear boost. It also kept my clutch happy cause it didnt like the gobs of torque in the mid-range at nearly 480ftlbs to the wheels.