[shivaswrath]

I used ETS intercoolers in my previous ride, I wanted to see if there was anyone in the Washington state area that could be a donor car to see if this E-body style intercooler will need some modifications:


I live in CT, so it'll be difficult for me, otherwise I would do it in a heartbeat.

I gained about 15-20whp when running higher boost with an upgraded intercooler, and obviously won't void your warranty.

Previous E-series had the following pluses:



Here's their info, please help the community out!
12613 NE 95th St
Vancouver, WA 98682

Phone: 360-896-3000
Fax: 360-896-3100

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

I used ETS intercoolers in my previous ride, I wanted to see if there was anyone in the Washington state area that could be a donor car to see if this E-body style intercooler will need some modifications:


I live in CT, so it'll be difficult for me, otherwise I would do it in a heartbeat.

I gained about 15-20whp when running higher boost with an upgraded intercooler, and obviously won't void your warranty.

Previous E-series had the following pluses:



Here's their info, please help the community out!
12613 NE 95th St
Vancouver, WA 98682

Phone: 360-896-3000
Fax: 360-896-3100

Wish I could help you out, but alas I'm in the TN/MS area so no dice.

I'm not expert on intercoolers, but how exactly does it provide a gain in hp? I thought it was more of a mod that helped the engine perform at peak longer more than a straight power gain. /noob

[shivaswrath]

With increased boost, which all of us with a tune will run, there will be increased heat.
So comparing stock versus a nice bar and plate design will flow better and cool more effectively=more hp!

Here's a dyno they did on an N54 engine before and after a 5" IC:


Of course, there was a tune and other goodies involved...
-Shiv

[buildbright]

Terry from BMS only saw 8hp increase At low boost and only 1 hp with high boost. This is with Meth. If you plan on using meth it cancels itself out with a stock N55 turbo.

[shivaswrath]

Well, regardless of gains, the more aggressive a tune you get (unsure if we can use a Procede for our system?), the better the flow one will need.

Anyone in Washington able to loan a car?

[MiladsFrozenM5]

Why wouldn't it ruin your warranty ???! It's an aftermarket part?

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

Well, regardless of gains, the more aggressive a tune you get (unsure if we can use a Procede for our system?), the better the flow one will need.

Anyone in Washington able to loan a car?

That was with the BMS Flash. You have to change your turbo to really see a difference. It's on N54 tech. Now this is if you use meth. In a non meth car it will be more helpful.

[Jamesons Viggen]

N20 and n55 might both use the same after market intercoolers. That can be confirmed by the board vendor who was fitting to both f30s.

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

N20 and n55 might both use the same after market intercoolers. That can be confirmed by the board vendor who was fitting to both f30s.

I think they're the same IC's, the UICP and LICP are different between the two, obviously, but it does seem as though the end tank inlets and outlets are the same.

Jameson, could you see if anyone on the N20 might be interested to? If we drum up enough interest, might help the cause...

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by buildbright

Terry from BMS only saw 8hp increase At low boost and only 1 hp with high boost. This is with Meth. If you plan on using meth it cancels itself out with a stock N55 turbo.

I'm not running with meth, just want cooler intake temp's.

It's physics really, Sean Ivey didn't believe I'd be able to squeeze extra hp when I added an IC either, but was pleasantly surprised.

I know the tunes are less aggressive in the BMW world, and the lack of a MBC doesn't help the cause, but I'm positive the current design and flow isn't that great...

[slmdgee]

I would be down but not this moment.

[justinnum1]

what does it mean to run with meth?

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

what does it mean to run with meth?

methanol injected into your intake manifold to lower your intake temp and allow you to alter timing and adjust your AF's for more power...highly fun.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

methanol injected into your intake manifold to lower your intake temp and allow you to alter timing and adjust your AF's for more power...highly fun.

I could not have said it better myself

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

methanol injected into your intake manifold to lower your intake temp and allow you to alter timing and adjust your AF's for more power...highly fun.

so it gives you more power? how much is it and can you just add it to a totally stock car?

[nsquared]

Would be down for a more efficient intercooler. Hopefully adds more top end hp.

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

so it gives you more power? how much is it and can you just add it to a totally stock car?

you would need:
1. methanol tank
2. lines to the tank
3. a tune
4. nozzles connected to #2 that are bored into the intake manifold that will spray based on the tune.

it's complex, will void the living hell out of your warranty, but highly effective in reducing intake charge temp's and thus allowing you to reap full benefits of your N55 turbo...

[TreDirtyFive]

So far, it doesn't seem the N55 small turbo flows enough to really take advantage of an aftermarket IC setup the way it does on other cars such as the Evo...Yes, it will help keep heat soak down over general driving periods but you won't see the numbers the N54 is making with an IC it seems.

Here is a link to a test on an N55...although this is with meth it helps keep things into perspective.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showth...55+intercooler

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by TreDirtyFive

So far, it doesn't seem the N55 small turbo flows enough to really take advantage of an aftermarket IC setup the way it does on other cars such as the Evo...Yes, it will help keep heat soak down over general driving periods but you won't see the numbers the N54 is making with an IC it seems.

Here is a link to a test on an N55...although this is with meth it helps keep things into perspective.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showth...55+intercooler

I think it's probably a function of the tune and stock boost rather than turbo size.

I have to get the vane sizes, but the Mitsu turbo specs are:
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9.8T (GSR / USDM)
TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T (RS/RS2 & NZDM) or 6MT:TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (model unknown)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.8
Turbine = USDM EVO 8 & JDM GSR =Inconel (steel alloy),
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide
Flow rates//Max Output:
TDO5H-16G-7CM2 505 CFM
TDO5H-16G-10CM2 505 CFM
TD05-16G (small) 345-365hp @ 22 psi
TD06-16G (large) 365-385hp @ 22 psi

N55 turbo information (I could find, since I'm new to the platform):
53mm Inducer and 46.1mm Exducer
A borgwarner b03 is all I could find...they are so tightlipped...

Judging from the sizing, the Mitsu turbo is jesus larger... 98/68 verus 53/46.
That's why we are such low end torque monsters, and honestly you probably don't want too large of a turbo on an inline-6...HOWEVER, with that said (and little information I have on the N55 b03), I would imagine if we increase the flow, the heat would increase, and an efficient IC would be good.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

so it gives you more power? how much is it and can you just add it to a totally stock car?

The power increase on a stock car will be minimal, but will keep the intake air temperatures down. Meth kits are around $200 to $450 but you need a failsafe and will have to tune it. I recommend a piggyback like BMS which has a failsafe built in and they have a kit for $370 that bolts on and comes off in 10 minutes with no warranty issues. Not to mention the power is awesome and safe for the engine.

An intercooler will run you around a $1000. But it can be run a stock car but will be hard to remove before service and BMW will most likely void your warranty if they see it.

We use to build turbo cars without intercoolers and just use meth. That way you reduce the flow restriction and would get great power on low boost. Its actually old technology but since turbos were not popular in the 90’s and early 2000’s people didn’t use them a lot. It started becoming popular with the turbo craze.

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

FYI Our design and prototype phase is complete and we are going to production of our final design for testing. Keep your eyes peeled on this site for the data!

[RoundelM3]

Definitely want to get a better intercooler for the F30 (currently on its way from the port); I had ETS 5" on my E92 and really liked it. Anxiously awaiting the F30-specific product!