[kevinp]

Thinking of installing the mppk but that won't be enough of a gain for me. So im thinking of adding a piggy back like Hartge Engine Performance Upgrade - F30 335i, Burgermotorsport stage 1 or AFE scorcher.
Any advise? or anyone have a set up with both yet?

[kevinp]

in case it wasn't clear. It will be the MPPK installed, and a piggyback on top of the MPPK.

[pukicabuki]

Sounds like a waste of money. The gains won't stack on each other if thats what you're thinking. The piggyback will override the mppk tune (which is all of the gains) just like it does the factory tune. They both make more power by controlling the same things (boost and timing mostly).

You won't get +30hp for the mppk and +50hp from the piggyback for a total of +80hp. You'll just get the +50hp from the piggyback.

[kevinp]

Sounds like a waste of money. The gains won't stack on each other if thats what you're thinking. The piggyback will override the mppk tune (which is all of the gains) just like it does the factory tune. They both make more power by controlling the same things (boost and timing mostly).

You won't get +30hp for the mppk and +50hp from the piggyback for a total of +80hp. You'll just get the +50hp from the piggyback.

Thanks i appreciate the input. Clear it up a quite bit. But so what your saying is forget the MPPK and just opt for the piggyback? and if so which one do you recommend? I was leaning towards the Hartge one.

[TreDirtyFive]

you will gain the exhaust burble and possibly better throttle response from the PPK /w a piggyback but you're paying almost a grand for those 2 things. worth it?

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by TreDirtyFive

you will gain the exhaust burble and possibly better throttle response from the PPK /w a piggyback but you're paying almost a grand for those 2 things. worth it?

This. You'll gain the other 'features' of the MPPK, perhaps some improved throttle response, perhaps smoother shifting, and whatnot, but the power will come from the piggy.

As far as the JB4, the stage 1 will work with the PPK, but stage 2 will override it as it controls more things.

Bascially, if you want some of the PPK things other than power plus the power of a piggyback and don't mind spending the rather large cost, then go for it. If you plan on using stage 2, then it's a complete waste to do both (btw stage 2 is still less than the PPK by quite a bit)

My advice would be not to do both a piggy and PPK.

[kevinp]

This. You'll gain the other 'features' of the MPPK, perhaps some improved throttle response, perhaps smoother shifting, and whatnot, but the power will come from the piggy.

As far as the JB4, the stage 1 will work with the PPK, but stage 2 will override it as it controls more things.

Bascially, if you want some of the PPK things other than power plus the power of a piggyback and don't mind spending the rather large cost, then go for it. If you plan on using stage 2, then it's a complete waste to do both (btw stage 2 is still less than the PPK by quite a bit)

My advice would be not to do both a piggy and PPK.

Does the stage 2 work for the f30 though? Confirm? I only see on their website is for the e90... Applications:
• 2013 + N55 BMW Z4
• 2011 + N55 BMW E82 135i LHD
• 2011 + N55 BMW E90 E91 E92 E93 335i/xi
• 2011 + N55 BMW X1
cause thats whats ic on their website for stage 2 but at the top of it it states
Fits 2011+ BMW 135i, 335i, 335xi, and 2013+ 135is, Z4, N55 "Twin Power" Motors... so im a little confused as to if it will work or not.
and you guys would rather burger motorsport then hartge? i feel like hartage has put more time and research into their tune then burgermotorsports...They even back their product for 3 years... whats burgermotorsport warranty? Im guessing thats why it ranges $1800 to $2100 ... as to jb4 stage 2 is $550.

[FotiosF90M5]

The jb3 will completely ignore the MPPK. It's just a waste of money. Like others have said.

[FotiosF90M5]

I've had jb3 and MPPK and I think the MPPK feels just as strong as JB stage 1. I was really surprised. All the extras was a very welcome upgrade too. Sound, response, shift points, changed sport and comfort settings for the better, sound of the intake etc. It's a great mod. Very strong with the 8at.

[AussieF30]

Originally Posted by kevinp

Thinking of installing the mppk but that won't be enough of a gain for me. So im thinking of adding a piggy back like Hartge Engine Performance Upgrade - F30 335i, Burgermotorsport stage 1 or AFE scorcher.
Any advise? or anyone have a set up with both yet?

I have the Hartge tune on my 335i & love it. Certainly gained better throttle control & sound levels increased, however torque was the biggest/noticable change.

Initial Dyno was 190kw then after tune 208kw (wet tyres broke traction). Its a totally different car to drive now.
I went with Hartge for BMW heritage and reliability, its more expensive however I went with the proven brand.

No need for 2 tunes, do another mod with your cash

[RoundelM3]

Aussie - just out of curiosity, what is your dealership's take on your Hartge tune? I've heard lots of good things about them and the other European tuners, but wasn't sure if BMW would give you any problems regarding warranty claims and so forth.

[AussieF30]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Aussie - just out of curiosity, what is your dealership's take on your Hartge tune? I've heard lots of good things about them and the other European tuners, but wasn't sure if BMW would give you any problems regarding warranty claims and so forth.

The module is concealed and not detectable. It really cannot cause any complaints or breeches in a warranty claim. However its not too difficult to remove prior to taking the car to BMW if any issues arose.

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by AussieF30

The module is concealed and not detectable. It really cannot cause any complaints or breeches in a warranty claim. However its not too difficult to remove prior to taking the car to BMW if any issues arose.

Ah - ok, I was thinking Hartge's tune was a flash-type instead of an add-on. So it's something you've not discussed with your dealer/service advisor, then? Hartge is very well-known worldwide, and I was curious about what BMW's position is regarding them and the other tuners like Schnitzer and so forth.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Ah - ok, I was thinking Hartge's tune was a flash-type instead of an add-on. So it's something you've not discussed with your dealer/service advisor, then? Hartge is very well-known worldwide, and I was curious about what BMW's position is regarding them and the other tuners like Schnitzer and so forth.

AC Schnitzer has a two year warranty (milage limited) on all parts not covered under BMW warranty. There are BMW dealers that are resellers of ACS, so it is more or less like the Dinan deal.

http://www.ac-schnitzer.de/en/bmw-ca.../general-info/

[AussieF30]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Ah - ok, I was thinking Hartge's tune was a flash-type instead of an add-on. So it's something you've not discussed with your dealer/service advisor, then? Hartge is very well-known worldwide, and I was curious about what BMW's position is regarding them and the other tuners like Schnitzer and so forth.

I haven't discussed it with BMW however the Hartge keeps all essential engine safety management operational. It's the 'safest tune' I could find, plus now it is installed the change in power delivery is magnificent. Google the N55 Hartge tune and read their specs, I'm sure you will be a convert before long!

**I just finished all upgrades for my car (AFE intake/ Challenge HFC downpipe/ M Performance exhaust & Hartge tune) ), very happy with the power gain 190KW Stock rear wheel power now 217KW rear wheel power**

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by AussieF30

I haven't discussed it with BMW however the Hartge keeps all essential engine safety management operational. It's the 'safest tune' I could find, plus now it is installed the change in power delivery is magnificent. Google the N55 Hartge tune and read their specs, I'm sure you will be a convert before long!

**I just finished all upgrades for my car (AFE intake/ Challenge HFC downpipe/ M Performance exhaust & Hartge tune) ), very happy with the power gain 190KW Stock rear wheel power now 217KW rear wheel power**

Sounds good - could you translate KW to HP for me? I've got MPPK and M-Performance exhaust - not going to get into the downpipe thing - and I'm curious to see how they compare. Thanks a lot for the info!

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

AC Schnitzer has a two year warranty (milage limited) on all parts not covered under BMW warranty. There are BMW dealers that are resellers of ACS, so it is more or less like the Dinan deal.

http://www.ac-schnitzer.de/en/bmw-ca.../general-info/

I knew you could get Schnitzer items from some dealers, but wasn't aware of their parallel warranty. Thanks for the info!

[AussieF30]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Sounds good - could you translate KW to HP for me? I've got MPPK and M-Performance exhaust - not going to get into the downpipe thing - and I'm curious to see how they compare. Thanks a lot for the info!

KW converts to 299-300 HP at the wheels. How does it compare?
Cheers

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by AussieF30

KW converts to 299-300 HP at the wheels. How does it compare?
Cheers

I'll have to check - there's another thread about the MPPK where someone has actually had their car dyno'd, but it sounds pretty comparable. I know that the 20 HP advertised gain with the MPPK is very underrated, and is done so because if the gain is less than 10% of advertised hp for the stock engine, they do not have to re-certify it (emissions testing, etc.). I'll look it up and get back to you on it ASAP.

[JN1]

Any one else have actual dyno numbers with JB4/BMS Stage 1 tune yet?

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by AussieF30

I have the Hartge tune on my 335i & love it. Certainly gained better throttle control & sound levels increased, however torque was the biggest/noticable change.

Initial Dyno was 190kw then after tune 208kw (wet tyres broke traction). Its a totally different car to drive now.
I went with Hartge for BMW heritage and reliability, its more expensive however I went with the proven brand.

No need for 2 tunes, do another mod with your cash

Sounds like your happy. I have the JB4 stage 2 in e85 and its a whole new world of power.

[kevinp]

**I just finished all upgrades for my car (AFE intake/ Challenge HFC downpipe/ M Performance exhaust & Hartge tune) ), very happy with the power gain 190KW Stock rear wheel power now 217KW rear wheel power**

im a little confused how can you have 297hp with all those mods car comes stock 300 hp... Shouldn't you have around 360 to 390 hp?
Did u get ur numbers mixed up?
and Dinan comes out in november from what i heard i dunno if i should wait until dinan or opt for Hartge tune.
For those who have the m performance kit. Is the remapping, extra sensitivity on the pedal, and new intake worth the tag? like it does make car accelerated 0.2 seconds then usual. But taking that into consideration lets say i install the mmpk and then the hartge. Would all the remapping, throttle change, and the exhaust burble would it all stayed after the Hartge is installed? Cause i would like all of those things but it would be pointless to installed hartge if it will override everything you paid for the Mppk