05-30-2013, 09:43 AM | #1 |
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Anybody have MPPK installed with a piggy back?
Thinking of installing the mppk but that won't be enough of a gain for me. So im thinking of adding a piggy back like Hartge Engine Performance Upgrade - F30 335i, Burgermotorsport stage 1 or AFE scorcher.
Any advise? or anyone have a set up with both yet?
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05-30-2013, 09:46 AM | #2 |
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in case it wasn't clear. It will be the MPPK installed, and a piggyback on top of the MPPK.
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05-30-2013, 11:31 AM | #3 |
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Sounds like a waste of money. The gains won't stack on each other if thats what you're thinking. The piggyback will override the mppk tune (which is all of the gains) just like it does the factory tune. They both make more power by controlling the same things (boost and timing mostly).
You won't get +30hp for the mppk and +50hp from the piggyback for a total of +80hp. You'll just get the +50hp from the piggyback. |
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06-03-2013, 03:42 PM | #5 |
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you will gain the exhaust burble and possibly better throttle response from the PPK /w a piggyback but you're paying almost a grand for those 2 things. worth it?
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As far as the JB4, the stage 1 will work with the PPK, but stage 2 will override it as it controls more things. Bascially, if you want some of the PPK things other than power plus the power of a piggyback and don't mind spending the rather large cost, then go for it. If you plan on using stage 2, then it's a complete waste to do both (btw stage 2 is still less than the PPK by quite a bit) My advice would be not to do both a piggy and PPK. |
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• 2013 + N55 BMW Z4 • 2011 + N55 BMW E82 135i LHD • 2011 + N55 BMW E90 E91 E92 E93 335i/xi • 2011 + N55 BMW X1 cause thats whats ic on their website for stage 2 but at the top of it it states Fits 2011+ BMW 135i, 335i, 335xi, and 2013+ 135is, Z4, N55 "Twin Power" Motors... so im a little confused as to if it will work or not. and you guys would rather burger motorsport then hartge? i feel like hartage has put more time and research into their tune then burgermotorsports...They even back their product for 3 years... whats burgermotorsport warranty? Im guessing thats why it ranges $1800 to $2100 ... as to jb4 stage 2 is $550.
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The jb3 will completely ignore the MPPK. It's just a waste of money. Like others have said.
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I've had jb3 and MPPK and I think the MPPK feels just as strong as JB stage 1. I was really surprised. All the extras was a very welcome upgrade too. Sound, response, shift points, changed sport and comfort settings for the better, sound of the intake etc. It's a great mod. Very strong with the 8at.
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Initial Dyno was 190kw then after tune 208kw (wet tyres broke traction). Its a totally different car to drive now. I went with Hartge for BMW heritage and reliability, its more expensive however I went with the proven brand. No need for 2 tunes, do another mod with your cash |
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Aussie - just out of curiosity, what is your dealership's take on your Hartge tune? I've heard lots of good things about them and the other European tuners, but wasn't sure if BMW would give you any problems regarding warranty claims and so forth.
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The module is concealed and not detectable. It really cannot cause any complaints or breeches in a warranty claim. However its not too difficult to remove prior to taking the car to BMW if any issues arose.
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Ah - ok, I was thinking Hartge's tune was a flash-type instead of an add-on. So it's something you've not discussed with your dealer/service advisor, then? Hartge is very well-known worldwide, and I was curious about what BMW's position is regarding them and the other tuners like Schnitzer and so forth.
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**I just finished all upgrades for my car (AFE intake/ Challenge HFC downpipe/ M Performance exhaust & Hartge tune) ), very happy with the power gain 190KW Stock rear wheel power now 217KW rear wheel power** |
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I'll have to check - there's another thread about the MPPK where someone has actually had their car dyno'd, but it sounds pretty comparable. I know that the 20 HP advertised gain with the MPPK is very underrated, and is done so because if the gain is less than 10% of advertised hp for the stock engine, they do not have to re-certify it (emissions testing, etc.). I'll look it up and get back to you on it ASAP.
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Did u get ur numbers mixed up? and Dinan comes out in november from what i heard i dunno if i should wait until dinan or opt for Hartge tune. For those who have the m performance kit. Is the remapping, extra sensitivity on the pedal, and new intake worth the tag? like it does make car accelerated 0.2 seconds then usual. But taking that into consideration lets say i install the mmpk and then the hartge. Would all the remapping, throttle change, and the exhaust burble would it all stayed after the Hartge is installed? Cause i would like all of those things but it would be pointless to installed hartge if it will override everything you paid for the Mppk
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