E90Post
 


Coby Wheel
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > 2007 335i misfires many parts changed ... at a loss



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-28-2014, 04:33 PM   #1
The Kingpin
Enlisted Member
Canada
4
Rep
30
Posts

Drives: 2007 335i sedan
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Winnipeg, Canada

iTrader: (0)

2007 335i misfires many parts changed ... at a loss

So i have a 2007 335i. I have an ETS intercooler, downpipes, xpipe, DCI, JB4 (not currently installed). I had been having rough idles and misfires under load. Took it into Dealer 2 weeks ago. They had it until this past friday. They checked everything - vanos, fuel pressure, compression, replaced 3 injectors, etc.

They told me they narrowed it down to O2 sensors. They changed both sensors and said it was running great.

We went for a sunday drive yesterday. Merging onto a highway and i pinned it. Engine light flashing, violent shaking, no power. Pulled over and shut off car and waited a few minutes. Turned back on, seemed normal. Pull back on to highway and pinned it again - same thing.

I have had this issue for almost a year. So far they have changed valve gasket, oil gasket, turbos, all 6 injectors (replaced 3 last week again), walnut blasting, sparkplugs are 3 months old, just had an oil change.

This last week when i took it in i said i thought it was a fuel pump issue. They said they checked and was all good. I have pulled codes before with JB4 and i get misfires on 5 of 6 cylinders and a fuel delivery sytem code.

Anyone have any clue as to what i might be missing?

Also, the misfires get worse the warmer the car gets. On a cold engine they are little blips. After driving for a bit more than a half hour yesterday was when shit went down.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2014, 05:00 PM   #2
AtlantaDude
Just enjoying my time
AtlantaDude's Avatar
United_States
128
Rep
855
Posts

Drives: 2007 BMW E92 335i - Sold
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Kingpin View Post
So i have a 2007 335i. I have an ETS intercooler, downpipes, xpipe, DCI, JB4 (not currently installed). I had been having rough idles and misfires under load. Took it into Dealer 2 weeks ago. They had it until this past friday. They checked everything - vanos, fuel pressure, compression, replaced 3 injectors, etc.

They told me they narrowed it down to O2 sensors. They changed both sensors and said it was running great.

We went for a sunday drive yesterday. Merging onto a highway and i pinned it. Engine light flashing, violent shaking, no power. Pulled over and shut off car and waited a few minutes. Turned back on, seemed normal. Pull back on to highway and pinned it again - same thing.

I have had this issue for almost a year. So far they have changed valve gasket, oil gasket, turbos, all 6 injectors (replaced 3 last week again), walnut blasting, sparkplugs are 3 months old, just had an oil change.

This last week when i took it in i said i thought it was a fuel pump issue. They said they checked and was all good. I have pulled codes before with JB4 and i get misfires on 5 of 6 cylinders and a fuel delivery sytem code.

Anyone have any clue as to what i might be missing?

Also, the misfires get worse the warmer the car gets. On a cold engine they are little blips. After driving for a bit more than a half hour yesterday was when shit went down.
Shit dude, this blows... You're going to need better codes than what the JB4 tells you. If you have a BT scanner, keep it in the car... You need to get the codes that pop WHEN then error occurs... Not after you've cycled the car. The fuel pumps can be ok under idle load, but failing under WOT. It sucks that you've been spark chasing this long. I've at the point of replacing my fuel injectors on my car, I still have the original OEM injectors, and other than the fuel pumps, they're the only thing that I haven't replaced... Good luck on your hunt though.
__________________
Current - 2022 Rivian R1T, 2021 Ducati Streetfighter V4S, 1969 Chevy C10
Sold - 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance
Sold - 2007 E92 335i

If speed is death, then buy a Honda and live forever
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2014, 05:26 PM   #3
SeminoleN54
Turbo
SeminoleN54's Avatar
2
Rep
11
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: FL Capital

iTrader: (0)

Sounds like coil packs.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2014, 05:39 PM   #4
AWil335i
Second Lieutenant
AWil335i's Avatar
12
Rep
281
Posts

Drives: 2007 E92 335i
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Indianapolis

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeminoleN54 View Post
Sounds like coil packs.
^Exactly since you didn't mention changing them in the post. I'd think that would be one of the first things you or the dealer would change?

Also, I'd put the JB4 in and see if you can get a log of what is happening when you're getting the misfires. It may help pinpoint whether it's fuel or ignition related...
__________________
07 E92 335I | JB4 G5 ISO | BMS E85 Flash | DCI | BMS DPs | Helix FMIC | Alpina TCU Flash | Walbro GLS392 | E70 | 429rwhp/474rwtq
|


Appreciate 0
      04-28-2014, 06:10 PM   #5
pwr hungry
Banned
41
Rep
1,257
Posts

Drives: 335
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Amer'ca

iTrader: (2)

I'd do coils and if that doesn't fix it swap the hpfp.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2014, 09:34 PM   #6
The Kingpin
Enlisted Member
Canada
4
Rep
30
Posts

Drives: 2007 335i sedan
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Winnipeg, Canada

iTrader: (0)

The dealer checked the coils. all were good but one. I replaced that one a few months ago.

The only thing left that i can think of is the hpfp or the lpfp.

They even did a compression test last week and it holds all the right levels.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2014, 10:11 PM   #7
rudebwoi
Second Lieutenant
United_States
48
Rep
216
Posts

Drives: 17 F82 6MT ZCP Mineral White
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: SoFlo

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Kingpin View Post
So i have a 2007 335i. I have an ETS intercooler, downpipes, xpipe, DCI, JB4 (not currently installed). I had been having rough idles and misfires under load. Took it into Dealer 2 weeks ago. They had it until this past friday. They checked everything - vanos, fuel pressure, compression, replaced 3 injectors, etc.

They told me they narrowed it down to O2 sensors. They changed both sensors and said it was running great.

We went for a sunday drive yesterday. Merging onto a highway and i pinned it. Engine light flashing, violent shaking, no power. Pulled over and shut off car and waited a few minutes. Turned back on, seemed normal. Pull back on to highway and pinned it again - same thing.

I have had this issue for almost a year. So far they have changed valve gasket, oil gasket, turbos, all 6 injectors (replaced 3 last week again), walnut blasting, sparkplugs are 3 months old, just had an oil change.

This last week when i took it in i said i thought it was a fuel pump issue. They said they checked and was all good. I have pulled codes before with JB4 and i get misfires on 5 of 6 cylinders and a fuel delivery sytem code.

Anyone have any clue as to what i might be missing?

Also, the misfires get worse the warmer the car gets. On a cold engine they are little blips. After driving for a bit more than a half hour yesterday was when shit went down.
don't mean to thread jack but also having the same issue....

-Injectors are new replaced by BMW
-Coils have been switched all around each cylinder and even replaced, tested by bmw
-Boost test comes back OK
-Walnut blasting done
-Compression is 170 across the board with 160 on Cyl 6
- Vanos solenoids, and even bearing ledges replaced

Codes are vague, but also similar to you and also has issues at cold start. Sometimes the issue completely disappears, but under load can almost never get past 3500 RPM.

Dealer also says HPFP and LPFP are fine, I've logged and even watched it on the Cobb. I'm at a loss...
__________________
2017 F82 ZCP 6M
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2014, 06:30 AM   #8
Tzu
Lieutenant Colonel
Canada
29
Rep
1,551
Posts

Drives: 335i
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Kingpin View Post
They checked everything - vanos, fuel pressure, compression, replaced 3 injectors, etc.
I dont see vacuum listed here.
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2014, 06:38 AM   #9
jayzF30
Captain
No_Country
34
Rep
783
Posts

Drives: '07 335i, '09 M3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Thornhill

iTrader: (0)

Have you done a compression or leakdown test? Personally I do not trust the dealer at all.
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2014, 06:42 AM   #10
Eat.Sleep.Race
Out Boosting...
United_States
242
Rep
3,987
Posts

Drives: F30 335i M-Sport
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Northern VA

iTrader: (7)

I would have got so frustrated probably would of sold the car lol... Good luck and hopefully once you get it figured out you can give the forum some insight on wha tthe next issue is.
__________________
Alpine White M-Sport F30
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2014, 11:34 AM   #11
Bluesnake01
Private First Class
4
Rep
194
Posts

Drives: 09 335i Sedan, 6AT
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (1)

A vacum line leaking can make this happen as well. So if you changed your coils from cyl 1 to cyl 6, does it still show cyl 1 bad or does it jump to cyl 6?
__________________
2009 BMW 335i Jet Black - BMS Dual Cones, GP Thunder 7500k Fog's, Hellst XRT H8 AE, JB4 G5 ISO Map 5 -
2001 Cobra True Blue - Terminator Swap, 460WHP -
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2014, 03:43 PM   #12
The Kingpin
Enlisted Member
Canada
4
Rep
30
Posts

Drives: 2007 335i sedan
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Winnipeg, Canada

iTrader: (0)

I called the dealer yesterday. they are taking it back in next monday. They said they were focused on rough idle and bouncing rpms.

I asked several times if they had taken it on a hard run on the highway and they said they did take it for a drive but it doesnt sound like they took it for a hard run which is when it misfires.

I still think it is a fuel delivery issue. Can onyone think of any other thing that it could be if all these other things have been addressed?
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2014, 07:47 PM   #13
Dustz
Chieftain
Dustz's Avatar
United_States
52
Rep
274
Posts

Drives: E90 N54 335i
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (5)

Garage List
coils
__________________

Got Boost?
2014 650xi F06 - Carbon Black
2015 640i F13 - Alpine White
2007 335i E90 JB4/HPF Gen 2 - Jet Black-Retired
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2014, 08:06 PM   #14
ksalih
Lieutenant
ksalih's Avatar
United_States
71
Rep
510
Posts

Drives: 2018 M2 LCI
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Gilbert, AZ

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluesnake01 View Post
A vacum line leaking can make this happen as well. So if you changed your coils from cyl 1 to cyl 6, does it still show cyl 1 bad or does it jump to cyl 6?
What he said, I would still bet it's coils. Switch them and see if the missfire follows the coil. Have you walnut blasted? Try one step colder plugs, they fixed my missfire issues at WOT with my mods.
__________________
'2018 F87 M2 LCI | LBB | GC Camber Plates | Ohlins R&T 90/190N/mm | 18x10 et33 square 275/35 | MPe | Poly Transmission Mounts | Recaro Sportster CS
Appreciate 0
      05-06-2014, 01:35 PM   #15
The Kingpin
Enlisted Member
Canada
4
Rep
30
Posts

Drives: 2007 335i sedan
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Winnipeg, Canada

iTrader: (0)

So took the car back yesterday to figure it out. They scanned all the codes and found many instances of multiple misfires. They checked the coils and vanos. All were good. changed out my sparkplugs for free.

Now ill run it hard for about a week to see if we finally got it. Last night and today, so far so good. Cant wait to get the JB4 back on there.
Appreciate 0
      05-06-2014, 01:50 PM   #16
LQQKOUT
Lieutenant
102
Rep
416
Posts

Drives: 335XI
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: United States

iTrader: (4)

Mine did the same thing under load and it was the VANOS solenoids.
Appreciate 0
      05-06-2014, 04:56 PM   #17
dbudh001
Lieutenant
No_Country
87
Rep
555
Posts

Drives: m4cs 2020
Join Date: May 2010
Location: west palm vesch

iTrader: (1)

I have an 07 June built. I had this issue it's the HPFP failing. Haven't gone bad yet. dont forget you are tuned - Would have been great if you had a Cobb. You could monitor fuel - it Could also be the ecu. You May have blown a MOSFET or 2 on the ecu. There's an awesome write up and tons of documentation of this happening search the forum " blown ecu misfire" . What ecu is it ? Ecu for. 2007s are prone for this. & It could also be the coil packs - I mean Uve done everything else

Btw if that dealer didn't start with changing coils as their starting point they suck

Here's one of the threads
Repairing a 'fried' N54 MSD80 DME http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=734162" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.e90post.c...p?t=734162</a>" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...734162</a></a>
Appreciate 0
      05-06-2014, 05:02 PM   #18
dbudh001
Lieutenant
No_Country
87
Rep
555
Posts

Drives: m4cs 2020
Join Date: May 2010
Location: west palm vesch

iTrader: (1)

Another suggestion take it to another dealer bc those guys don't sound like they know what they are doing

I went and looked for the paper work. They did and replaced the following



Walnut blasting
Ecu
Injectors bank2
Coils
HPFP
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:09 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST