[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

No stake in this. My cars are all registered in my home state. Best not to cheat, you just end up losing later.

But the kids are already going hungry, and the poor are already dying of their illnesses injuries and associated comorbidities without a properly functioning healthcare system all while our once great American infrastructure crumbles.

More money to the government isn't fixing anything. Not sure this is something to get twisted up about. They're already wasting what you give them fairly.

That's not an excuse to allow people to cheat the system and commit fraud when everyone else is playing by the rules. Your argument is like saying it's OK to steal a car if it's been sitting on the lot and not selling.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by oem.plus_440gc

Just as a heads up, I work for a major fleet leasing business, and we register our customer's cars in the state in which they are used, not the state in which the business is registered...

For example, a business like Frito Lay (owns Coca-Cola, etc.), who operates in all 50 states, has vehicles registered in all 50 individual states, not where they as a business are incorporated/registered/headquartered.

Yep. I have two friends with company cars with Ingersoll Rand and Siemens. The cars are registered to their home address.

[Alfisti]

I have no horse in this race and find the US legal system needlessly complex as it's 50 little countries that pretend to be one country.

My question is, are there states that have laws that outline either a) the residence of the owner having to match the state the car is registered in or b) the use of the vehicle (as in the state it is used in) being over a certain percentage before it is allowed to be registered out of state and c) the physical location the vehicle is stored impacting the allowance to register in another state?

[Humdizzle]

good points brought up here.

but the issue is still enforcement. this sort of legal stuff is above most street cops. they didn't get a law degree.

The last thing they want to do is pull over someone for the wrong reason. White cop sees a minority driving a sports car with montana plates. he pulls them over. all the LLC paperwork is fine, but he still says "i dont believe you, im reporting this to the department of revenue because i think you're abusing the system". Turns out the guy lives in MT and was just visiting.

now the precinct will need to get ready for a some backlash from a wealthy lawyered up individual. "he looked like he was cheating the system" is not gonna fly.

this is why california and other states have to setup snitch websites to try and catch people. i see quite a few well known youtubers with MT or SD plates there. Even the million dollar singer 911 on the smoking tire channel. The Mclaren F1 that chris harris recently drove. But nobody is prosecuting.

[LH44]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

good points brought up here.

but the issue is still enforcement. this sort of legal stuff is above most street cops. they didn't get a law degree.

The last thing they want to do is pull over someone for the wrong reason. White cop sees a minority driving a sports car with montana plates. he pulls them over. all the LLC paperwork is fine, but he still says "i dont believe you, im reporting this to the department of revenue because i think you're abusing the system". Turns out the guy lives in MT and was just visiting.

now the precinct will need to get ready for a some backlash from a wealthy lawyered up individual. "he looked like he was cheating the system" is not gonna fly.

this is why california and other states have to setup snitch websites to try and catch people. i see quite a few well known youtubers with MT or SD plates there. Even the million dollar singer 911 on the smoking tire channel. The Mclaren F1 that chris harris recently drove. But nobody is prosecuting.

They have bigger fish to fry.

I don't put license plates on any of my cars simply because I don't like the way they look. I've still never been pulled over.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

That's not an excuse to allow people to cheat the system and commit fraud when everyone else is playing by the rules. Your argument is like saying it's OK to steal a car if it's been sitting on the lot and not selling.

No. You're quoting me out of context. Poster above says if you cheat the system a child goes hungry. Let's keep that clear.

Point is the child is already hungry because the system is completely buggered. The child will remain hungry regardless of how much back taxes are collected.

Fix the system then prosecute the assholes. Everything costs money and time. I'm tired of officials wasting both.

I'm actually suspicious that this is a distraction from the avalanche of program shutdowns which are actually fuelling the above. Off topic for this thread though.

Let the discussion resume about private citizen/LLC assholes cheating the government assholes.

Cheers.

[pbonsalb]

If this has not yet been posted, it is a good introductory article discussing the issues from a reputable source — a specialty car insurance company.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market...ole-explained/

In my opinion, as someone who practiced law for 30 years, mostly in a state attorney general’s office, this is tax fraud. It is totally legal to have a Montana LLC and register your car under it if you use that car for the purposes of the LLC and confirm to all of your state’s laws. But where the Montana LLC is really a sham because it has no other business than registering your car and you don’t live in Montana or garage your car there, you are violating laws in many if not most states.

The cases will play out in court over time and it may be that in some states the statutory language was not written precisely enough to capture this method of evading taxes. I sued some some national corporations and lost in a tax case years ago. Lawyers can debate the meaning of the language and whether it covers the issue at hand, and a judge decides (typically in cases of statutory interpretation the question is a legal one not dependent on the credibility of witnesses so a jury is not necessary) the matter and one side wins and one loses.

Without looking at 49 state statutes and case law on in the matter, I can’t say which states will be problems for those using Montana LLCs to avoid taxes and even if I did give an opinion, it might be wrong. I won most of the hundreds of cases I filed but lost a big tax case. Some states won’t bother pursuing these case. Some will and will lose. I might be worried if I had my car under a Montana LLC, but it may be that most of the people doing this have plenty of money and are just greedy.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by LH44

Let it be known that every time some rich asshole registers an expensive car in Montana, a kid goes hungry. It's bad enough they had to exploit the poor to make the money needed to buy the expensive car in the first place.

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

No. You're quoting me out of context. Poster above says if you cheat the system a child goes hungry. Let's keep that clear.

Point is the child is already hungry because the system is completely buggered. The child will remain hungry regardless of how much back taxes are collected.

Fix the system then prosecute the assholes. Everything costs money and time. I'm tired of officials wasting both.

I'm actually suspicious that this is a distraction from the avalanche of program shutdowns which are actually fuelling the above. Off topic for this thread though.

Let the discussion resume about private citizen/LLC assholes cheating the government assholes.

Cheers.

I was going with it is the child's parents who are responsible for feeding their child. The taxpayer's responsibility is to smartly vote for and fund a government that creates and sustains an economic system, which allows food to be produced at affordable consumer prices.

As a taxpayer, I have as much disdain for the rich asshole who buys a very expensive car and employs ways to avoid paying the proper and legal fees required for it as much as I do for the poor asshole who haphazardly fornicates and creates offspring he can't afford and expects his fellow citizens to feed and care for his bastard child.

But that's just me.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I was going with it is the child's parents who are responsible for feeding their child. The the taxpayers responsibility is to smartly vote for and fund a government that creates and sustains an economic system, which allows food to be produced at affordable consumer prices.

As a taxpayer, I have as much disdain for the rich asshole who buys a very expensive car and employs ways to avoid paying the proper and leagal fees required for it as much as I do for the poor asshole who haphazardly fornicates and creates offspring he can't afford and expects his fellow citizens to feed and care for his bastard child.

But that's just me.

Just a nonsense relationship to begin with TBH. I agree with the above.