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      Yesterday, 04:26 PM   #111
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Has any of the drivers come forward with any statements or explanations
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Hugely fortunate someone didn't die. I wonder how severe the injuries are.

BMW driver completely oblivious is my take. Driving too far past their ability and not paying attention to their surroundings. Fault.

Porsche driver understandably frustrated tried to pass without the signal. Gets hit by oblivious overtaxed driver. Could have been avoided by waiting. Equal Fault.

Just my opinion. Interesting crash.
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Has any of the drivers come forward with any statements or explanations
Until the investigation and any financial/insurance issues are settled, both parties are smart to keep their traps shut. I actually applaud both of them for their silence.
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Just curious about the extent of the injuries.
They both survived but did they end up with serious and life altering injuries?
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Gt3 driver shooting the gap like lando.

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If neither driver purchased special track insurance will their insurance cover that incident? Or will they be out the cost of the car and other damages?
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Liability is different than blame.

Thank goodness for GoPros and the internet tho so I can learn how to avoid both.

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Oh yeah, hope these dudes are ok. Plastic and metal toys are replaceable. Flesh and blood not so much.

Also, some runoff could of prevented this and made it a fender bender instead.
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In my area, I’ve noticed a lot of BMW drivers who don’t use their turn signals, drive aggressively, and run people off the road

. It’s easy to blame Porsche drivers for these incidents, but I don’t think that’s fair. I think it’s more likely that it’s a sloppy M2 driver who wasn’t paying attention to what he was doing. Regardless of the make of the car, it’s important for drivers to be cautious and follow traffic rules.
You can add all types of Audi to that small bunch also
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What happens if either party doesn't have money to pay for the damages/liability?
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If neither driver purchased special track insurance will their insurance cover that incident? Or will they be out the cost of the car and other damages?
100% their personal insurance will not cover this. General exclusion on private passenger policies state that any Racing exhibitions are not covered. One would be a complete idiot not to purchase Track insurance.
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So little to add to such an accurate comment. What is remarkable is how both vehicles were engineered by humans without the benefit of multiple crashes proving or disproving a certain engineering approach.
It's called finite element analysis.
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What happens if either party doesn't have money to pay for the damages/liability?
A different type of lubricant is required. It comes in a tube...
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Gt3 driver shooting the gap like lando.

TF rules in effect?
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A different type of lubricant is required. It comes in a tube...


But seriously, is there any precedent?
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100% their personal insurance will not cover this. General exclusion on private passenger policies state that any Racing exhibitions are not covered. One would be a complete idiot not to purchase Track insurance.
This happened in Germany and insurance coverage for liability insurance stays intact for Touristenfahrten (the kind of event they participated in).

This may or may not be the case for comprehensive insurance. Depending on the fine print, the insurance carrier and the customer, damages to their own car maybe covered or not.

Can't make a general statement about it.

That said, dedicated track insurance is the way to go...
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Seeing and reading this, I'am reconsidering ever going on a track day again.

Seeing it from the P percepective, I totally understand the overtake of the P. When you state: rules where not applied, I challenge you to look at any trackday video and count the number of dubious/ambiguous situations in which you have to take split second decisions.

Somebody like Misha C himself is also constantly NOT respecting the rules. I totally understand since the ring is flooded with amateurs not knowing the basic rules.

Luckely, the crash was not a frontal one, but lateral aligned with the moving momentum (like usual on a track), else they wouldn't have survived.
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From the Porsche's perspective this was a normal overtake and a non-aggressive one at that.

This is on the M2. Should have seen the P-car and let him pass.

It's just metal; most important is that they are alive...
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My goodness what a crash and a fireball! Truly amazing how far modern car safety has come with the crush points and side air bags. It's remarkable that everyone survived to walk away from this one, because that was a high speed, abrupt crash in the most traditional sense.

The comment about the blinker subscription on P1 for the m2 actually made me laugh out loud.
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50/50, sloppy attention by both parties. Each driver “assumed” what the other was going to do. At high speeds, assumptions result is disaster.
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