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[JYTsky]

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[blankstar43]

Sounds like you have some kind of tune installed? If so you might be sol if something serious is wrong as they will almost surely discover the software change.

Best bet would have been to have it towed anywhere but the dealer first to uninstall the tune, but I'm not sure they couldn't still find shadow codes anyway.

I feel your pain man, but sometimes shit happens like this and it's the chance you take when you walk down the path of adding mods related to the drivetrain. Hopefully it'll all work out though.

[s85e90]

Well it's a good thing you mentioned that the car is "flashed" here. Seriously what's wrong with people posting stupid things on a public forum. Good luck getting it fixed; we we're just talking in another thread about finding one of these cars dying while driving to possibly start a class action suit.

[roastbeef]

Ok, so what mods and what tune do you have?

[SilentAttack]

Ouch 2 in 1 week... looks like its not only the 08/09's anymore

[richardbb85]

sorry to hear about this, hope everything works out at the end.

[TrevorM3]

i would have did the tune after the warranty period. I'd rip my hair out if this happened to me under warranty and the dealer void it.

[Nola 32/65]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

i would have did the tune after the warranty period. I'd rip my hair out if this happened to me under warranty and the dealer void it.

Couldn't agree more.

Unless I just had money to blow and didn't care but in that case, I'd install more then just a tune lol.

[aus]

Please let us know why the engine died.

[Race_Doc11]

Sorry to hear. Did you notice any thing abnormal before this happened?

[modkrazy]

Any symptoms? Knocking, ticking, anything? Can you expound on what you mean by it wouldn't start? No reaction at all?

[MFL]

Legally, they have to prove what was done to the car, if anything, was directly responsible for the failure.

[crypticc]

Legally yes. But with a dead engine and a flash potentially at fault they have engineers and lawyers a plenty to argue with your Indy down the road.
That said, if it is mechanical or fuel supply related they'll probably good will it without looking at ECU.
I'd challenge 10 hours labour to diagnose an ECU issue if that is what it turns or to be.

[Ezio]

ya this is one thing that i always thought of. People always say you can flash back to stock on certain mods before going into the dealership. but it sucks if your car blows up on the road when you are miles away from home.

i wish the best of luck. This kind of stuff really sucks. (hoping you are covered )

[anom3]

i know in the heat of the moment it can be hard to make decisions... but i would have handled this a bit differently.

right away i would have had a family member or friend or someone bring the laptop and flash back to stock.

i would have probably cleared all the faults too. the tune you speak of, in my case anyways, leaves a big list of error codes after flashing... they are "false alarms" probably caused by the flashing of the ecu... once i flash, clear the codes, they never return.

id then try to start the motor up a few times. im sure that would leave some sort of error codes seeing as you'd get nowhere.

and at worst i would have paid the tow truck driver an extra 200 or 300 to stop at the walmart / etc parking lot for an hour while we waited for friend / family to roll by with the laptop so i could at minimum flash back to normal.

i think this is the biggest risk with all tunes... not the tune in it self, i have been running mine for about 4 months now... put on about 6000km on it, works great, love it every bit...

but for those still in warranty, thats the risk im talking about... that if something DOES go wrong, bmw will finger point at the tune saying its the cause... when we all know it probably isnt... judging by the 100's if not 1000's of people (including myself) running a tune without any issues.

just my 2c.

best of luck tho hope everything works out and the hit on the pocket is minimal.

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just to be clear, i'm not knocking tunes or the specific one the poster mentioned. i have one and love it. just stating that if i were in warranty, and had my warranty at risk... i would think a lot harder then i did this time around before installing it. also i do not know what bmw's policy is in such cases... just guessing, but it would not surprise me at all if they had a step by step on how to get out of paying out warrant claims... one of these steps undoubtedly is to check if anything done to the car could be blamed (rather then could have caused) for the issue at hand. remember, the people who handle their finances are there to make money, not make customers happy or beautiful cars.

once again, best of luck.

[gatorfast]

Per the popular tuners on here, the tune is undetectable by the dealership. Someone would have to fly in from BMW corporate with a special tool in order to be able to detect the tune. I guess we will see if that happens or not...

[anom3]

even the +100 rpm or cold start delete?

if this is the case, i apologize for (politely) running my mouth

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Per the popular tuners on here, the tune is undetectable by the dealership. Someone would have to fly in from BMW corporate with a special tool in order to be able to detect the tune. I guess we will see if that happens or not...

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by anom3

even the +100 rpm or cold start delete?

if this is the case, i apologize for (politely) running my mouth

Not sure if dealers can see max rpm's or not. That wouldnt necessarily be from a tune though as many people have exceeded redline without one...

As for cold start, I guess it would take a very astute tech to realize it. I would imagine most techs at a dealership are simply hoping in a car to move it from A to B and not really paying attention to the cold start process. Also, if your engine blows up there will be no need to worry about cold start (as the engine wont be able to start at all).

[anom3]

agreed on both points.

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Not sure if dealers can see max rpm's or not. That wouldnt necessarily be from a tune though as many people have exceeded redline without one...

As for cold start, I guess it would take a very astute tech to realize it. I would imagine most techs at a dealership are simply hoping in a car to move it from A to B and not really paying attention to the cold start process. Also, if your engine blows up there will be no need to worry about cold start (as the engine wont be able to start at all).

[happos2]

For the people comments about reflashing (having a family member or friend come) while blocking a lane in the tunnel....fat chance. Sure, maybe on the side of a road somewhere with space, but most likely not going to happen in a tunnel.

[JPH704]

Originally Posted by SilentAttack

Ouch 2 in 1 week... looks like its not only the 08/09's anymore

Hasn't been 08 or 09's for awhile. The only reason 08's and 09's surface first was mileage.

Good luck OP!

[anom3]

of course not.

but having the tow driver stop somewhere on the way to the stealer is not so far fetched.

i have had a tow driver 'pause' in a mall parking lot a number of years ago (different situation) for an hour. from what i recall, 150 bucks did it.

all i am saying is if there is a potential of $XXXX or even $XXXXX coming out of my pocket, i would have no issue asking the tow driver to make a detour on the way to the stealer for a couple hundred. that is all.

Originally Posted by happos2

For the people comments about reflashing (having a family member or friend come) while blocking a lane in the tunnel....fat chance. Sure, maybe on the side of a road somewhere with space, but most likely not going to happen in a tunnel.