Rik's Initial Dyno Runs - Pure Stage 2

[Rik84]

Updates; Jan 12, 2017

Updated to 1.6 Firmware and the car is performing a bit better. There's a bit of a hiccup at the top of the RPM range as the car was still sorting it's shit out up there.

Not running a ton of boost, targeting 24psi, but it's creeping pretty bad at the higher RPM. Terry @ BMS has suggested moving my boost cut from 27 - 30 psi, cranking the boost to 26 and changing FUA to 80 from 60 and PID gain to 6. Log is posted along with a quick and dirty graph as well as the dyno sheet.

Last time we were at 504 whp and 537 wtq. After today's session we're at 533 whp and 556 wtq.

I'm sure we can get more out of it even without changing fuel etc. around but couldn't be bothered to spend more time and money on the dyno today. It's cold as hell up here so I have no traction so there's no need for more power.

But the real reason for cutting it short is because I've ordered a BMS stealth meth system with dual CM7 nozzles. I'm away for a few weeks getting a tan so I'm not able to rush the kit install anyways. When I'm back in February I'll get the meth kit installed and see what this set up can really do.


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Hello interwebs.

So, finally got some dyno time to start farting around with my car after my glutinous parts bender last year.

To recap - Pure Stage 2 High Flow. RK Autowerkz intakes. BMS charge pipes. DSS Axles. Cat Delete N54 downpipes. MPE. DME Tune by DME Tuning. JB4.

Some funny shit happened with the DME tune. Mo isn't sure why, but when I change my throttle settings from Economy - Sport - Sport + it now massively changes my boost parameters.

On Map 4 (so only DME tune but logging enabled) and in Economy mode the car boosts to roughly 18 psi. In Sport mode it boosts to 20-ish psi and in sport + it boosts to the moon. In Sport + the car would go batshit crazy and hit 28 psi ++. It was totally by random that we even realized this was happening, it was a random "what the hell, maybe economy will be less boost" and voila, there it was.

We ended up tuning the car on Sport mode as a 20 PSI minimum is fine on our shitty Canadian gas. Which is the next part of the story.

What most internet keyboard warriors don't always realize is how terrible our gas is. California 91 is like C16 compared to our 94 (ok, that's a bit of hyperbole). So, we constantly have shittier dyno results, always. We're essentially octane limited on every set up so it blows goats.

We ended up creating 2 custom map 6 lay outs for the car which were both somewhat conservative but very drivable and created extremely smooth power bands that were a ton of fun. I have a dyno plot attached which shows a comparison between the 94 octane map and the E15 map, smoothing is set to 6. The numbers on the dyno sheet are a corrected value that is designed to be just under or in line with our local dyno jet. The dyno used is a Mustang Dyno AWD 500 and the car was dyno'd in 4th gear as 5th doesn't work great due to roller weights etc, and it takes forever to get a pull done.

Logs are posted along with the graphs and the dyno sheet as well.

End of the day, the car made 504 whp and 537 wtq on E15 and 481 whp and 519 wtq on 94 octane. Both fuels had a unicorn run before each of these that was slightly higher but looks like the DME was sorting its life out and after that we were consistent on other pulls.

I've thrown some photos of the graphs from both runs as well as the dyno sheet. Also included some logs for reference. I had to upload them as a pdf as those were the only files that the forum accepted.

All in all, I'm quite happy with the power. It's winter, I'm on 285 snow tires and the car is sideways in 3rd, not like I can do much more. I'll be upping the E content to around E30-E40 in a few weeks and also probably buying a meth kit in the spring. I don't want to push past 600 - 650whp as it will just un usable on the street and I'm getting ever closer to crank hub issues (maybe??).

Dyno Sheet:


Map 6 E15:


Map 6 94 Octane:

[mike@x-ph.com]

OP,
Do you have a baseline run to compare dyno numbers?

[LOW4LYF]

Numbers are sweet! 😎 But I'm not sure what to think about a company with a text like that:

DME Tuning guarantees your vehicle or motorcycle will produce more power without compromising component life!...

[Rik84]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

OP,
Do you have a baseline run to compare dyno numbers?

EDIT *****

Just got off the phone with the shop and we went through all of my base line runs and calculated values etc. I only have torque for today's runs as we didn't feel like doing more maths.

1: Stock tune, cat delete down pipes 94 Octane: Mustang Dyno: 342whp, Dynojet: 413whp
2: JB4 Map 1, cat delete down pipes 94 Octane: Mustang Dyno: 357whp, Dynojet: 432whp
3: Current Set Up, 94 octane: Mustang Dyno: 397whp, Dynojet: 481whp, 519wtq
4: Current Set Up, E15: Mustang Dyno: 416whp, Dynojet: 504 whp, 537wtq

Basically, the hp is set as a 21% increase to show a "dynojet" number that matches a local dynojet. Easier to compare values that way.

There is definitely a lot more room in the set up, but it's all based on fuel at this point.

[Rik84]

Originally Posted by Figurka

Numbers are sweet! 😎 But I'm not sure what to think about a company with a text like that:

DME Tuning guarantees your vehicle or motorcycle will produce more power without compromising component life!...

Mo was easy to get hold of and has done a ton of these cars in the past. I'm happy with his service so far.

He admitted that the car is doing something funky, and that funky things happen sometimes with the DME tune.

Once Bootmod3 has some more testing behind it I'll send my DME off to get that rolling and run Bootmod3 and the JB4 back up. Hoping that lets us play around a bit more and get cleaner results.

[LOW4LYF]

I'm pretty sure he know what he's doing... I'm not trashing the work... but lot more HP with better fuel economy and same component life is not possible...we all know it. Sorry for off topic 😎

[Rik84]

Originally Posted by Figurka

I'm pretty sure he know what he's doing... I'm not trashing the work... but lot more HP with better fuel economy and same component life is not possible...we all know it. Sorry for off topic 😎

No off topic is good - I'm always a happy camper

Yah, better fuel, more comfort with the tuning capabilities and more seat time will net a lot more power out of the set up.

I have a habit of saying Fuck It way too often and blowing shit up. Trying to be responsible in 2017

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Rik84

EDIT *****

Just got off the phone with the shop and we went through all of my base line runs and calculated values etc. I only have torque for today's runs as we didn't feel like doing more maths.

1: Stock tune, cat delete down pipes 94 Octane: Mustang Dyno: 342whp, Dynojet: 413whp
2: JB4 Map 1, cat delete down pipes 94 Octane: Mustang Dyno: 357whp, Dynojet: 432whp
3: Current Set Up, 94 octane: Mustang Dyno: 397whp, Dynojet: 481whp, 519wtq
4: Current Set Up, E15: Mustang Dyno: 416whp, Dynojet: 504 whp, 537wtq

Basically, the hp is set as a 21% increase to show a "dynojet" number that matches a local dynojet. Easier to compare values that way.

There is definitely a lot more room in the set up, but it's all based on fuel at this point.

Was the baseline calculated or an actual run you did?

In other words, im asking whether the shop is estimating your stock numbers or if they actually made a run with the car completely stock

[Rik84]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Was the baseline calculated or an actual run you did?

In other words, im asking whether the shop is estimating your stock numbers or if they actually made a run with the car completely stock

The baseline run was stock tune but with N54 Tuning down pipes (cat delete) installed.

The values noted as mustang are actual mustang dyno awd500 values. The dynojet values are created by applying a 21% correction factor as that lines up with the local dynojet.

Those values were off of my saved dyno runs at the shop. The dyno computer isn't hooked up to internet/wifi and I'm at my office so I just had him rattle off the values for me which I then transcribed here.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Rik84

The baseline run was stock tune but with N54 Tuning down pipes (cat delete) installed.

The values noted as mustang are actual mustang dyno awd500 values. The dynojet values are created by applying a 21% correction factor as that lines up with the local dynojet.

Those values were off of my saved dyno runs at the shop. The dyno computer isn't hooked up to internet/wifi and I'm at my office so I just had him rattle off the values for me which I then transcribed here.

Oh ok thank you

To me, dyno used does not matter ... users are not supposed to be looking at peak dyno numbers, whats important is the delta between tuned vs stock

[Rik84]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Oh ok thank you

To me, dyno used does not matter ... users are not supposed to be looking at peak dyno numbers, whats important is the delta between tuned vs stock

I couldn't agree with you more - unfortunately when I try to explain that to the keyboard warriors online it usually ends up with me throwing my coffee across the room and shutting my computer down.

I personally think we should be able to see another 5% out of this set up on E15 with more careful tuning. But, since we can't play with timing etc. through the JB4 I'm a little worried to really push it.

At E30 I think 600whp DJ value should be pretty easy to hit, but won't know until we have a few more hours to tinker with. I may top up to E30 this weekend and do some street pulls and log/tinker if the weather cooperates, but we'll see.

[Rik84]

Ugh...

And as I spend more time looking into my fuel issues I come across this...

http://www.fuel-it.biz/s55-m3-m4-port-injection/

Full E85 support.

Or

http://www.fuel-it.biz/direct-port-m...equipped-cars/

Direct port methanol... Would combine it with the BMS kit for a stealth install but direct port reliability and tune ability....

[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by Rik84

Ugh...

And as I spend more time looking into my fuel issues I come across this...

http://www.fuel-it.biz/s55-m3-m4-port-injection/

Full E85 support.

Or

http://www.fuel-it.biz/direct-port-m...equipped-cars/

Direct port methanol... Would combine it with the BMS kit for a stealth install but direct port reliability and tune ability....

Check out ACF Performance's newly announced/released LPFP designed for high WHP applications on the Fxx models. Might complete your build on the fueling front.

[chewbakam4]

Definitely go bm3 so you can dial in that beast to its fullest.

[Rik84]

Originally Posted by chewbakam4

Definitely go bm3 so you can dial in that beast to its fullest.

It's just such a pain as I have to pull the DME again and send it off. Ball sack. Will probably wait to do that until I have my URL solution sorted out. Either the Fuel It direct port methanol or Fuel it direct port injection and ethanol... still playing with ideas there.

It's winter, and too wet and cold for me to have any more fun with any more power anyways.

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Your timing is pretty flat. You need better fuel before you start to run any higher boost.

If you can move up to E30, you should. What FOL are you running on your JB4? You have plenty of trim headroom for more ethanol at these boost levels.

If you haven't already, update your JB4 to the newest firmware and show us ignition timing on cylinders 1-6. As you have it now, I can only see part of the story.

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Also, please enable throttle plate in your datalog screenshots.

[Rik84]

Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

Also, please enable throttle plate in your datalog screenshots.

Will do - i believe I have the latest firm ware. Need to get my laptop to send logs as I have to export to PDF.

FOL is at 80 right now.

We have E85 locally, I have to mix it myself to get to e15/e30 etc.

Will grab a few more shots of these logs with more info

Edit - yah don't think I have the latest firm ware. Will update shortly.

[Rik84]

So I think the JB 4 was having some serious derp moments on the old firm ware. Updated to 1.6 and the tune that yielded the e15 tune all of sudden started hitting 28 psi for no reason. Played around with bias and FUA value as per Terry and it seems to be back in line.

My 1st gear off clutch (moving from a dead stop) was extremely jerky before, something odd was going on after my turbo install. Now, all good. No idea what was happening but something wasn't right, that's for sure.

Will have to play around again and get some more logs to see what it can do now and then more dyno time.

[schnell1982]

Originally Posted by Rik84

Ugh...

And as I spend more time looking into my fuel issues I come across this...

http://www.fuel-it.biz/s55-m3-m4-port-injection/

Full E85 support.

Or

http://www.fuel-it.biz/direct-port-m...equipped-cars/

Direct port methanol... Would combine it with the BMS kit for a stealth install but direct port reliability and tune ability....

I'm running the port injection kit and has been trouble free.
Waiting on some upgraded fuel pumps to come out soon.
JB4 with Mission Performance back end flash.

[Rik84]

Originally Posted by schnell1982

I'm running the port injection kit and has been trouble free.
Waiting on some upgraded fuel pumps to come out soon.
JB4 with Mission Performance back end flash.

For methanol or to run E85?

I think I'm going to grab the meth port injection kit and install a methanol sensor and push that to my JB4. Have the ability to run e30-ish if I want and Meth full time. I don't want the hassle of worrying about ethanol and gas stations, pain in the ass.

My only concern with meth is that the pump doesn't run constantly so there's a chance for air in the lines. Considering plumbing a pump from fuel lab and have it set to constant low psi operation to keep the lines pressurized at all times. Should eliminate the chance of air in the line

[schnell1982]

Originally Posted by Rik84

For methanol or to run E85?

I think I'm going to grab the meth port injection kit and install a methanol sensor and push that to my JB4. Have the ability to run e30-ish if I want and Meth full time. I don't want the hassle of worrying about ethanol and gas stations, pain in the ass.

My only concern with meth is that the pump doesn't run constantly so there's a chance for air in the lines. Considering plumbing a pump from fuel lab and have it set to constant low psi operation to keep the lines pressurized at all times. Should eliminate the chance of air in the line

E85 fueling port kit.
I had methanol installed prior and removed it thinking I wouldn't need it but due to the IAT's I want to re-install it even if I just run distilled water.
I want better cooling and feel that it will benefit my motor.