Question for those with 21" wheels and also tuned

Bimmma · 01-17-2017, 05:52 PM

What tires are you guys running on 21" wheels for optimum performance and traction, especially with any kind of tune or mods done? What tires would you guys recommend? Tire options are limited it seems.

Housekeeping · 01-17-2017, 08:12 PM

I have Michelins in 305/25 on Dinan stag 2. No traction under 50 deg c....even at high speeds, can be scary

josec70 · 01-17-2017, 08:25 PM

Running Vredesteins (305/265) on a Stage 1 tune. Great looking tires that perform exceptionally well. I've had MPSS and Pirelli's in the past and this tire works much better IMO.

R3dn3k Flyby · 01-17-2017, 09:29 PM

Agreed regarding Vredestein Ultrac Vorti R. 265/305 combo on 21". Better grip than MPSS. Don't last as long as they're 160 tread wear compared to 300 on the MPSS, but that's also why they've got more grip. I get 20k miles out of my fronts and 10k miles out of my rears. They handle the twisties extremely well also, and are quiet and smooth like the MPSS.

-James

Bimmma · 01-17-2017, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by R3dn3k Flyby

Agreed regarding Vredestein Ultrac Vorti R. 265/305 combo on 21". Better grip than MPSS. Don't last as long as they're 160 tread wear compared to 300 on the MPSS, but that's also why they've got more grip. I get 20k miles out of my fronts and 10k miles out of my rears. They handle the twisties extremely well also, and are quiet and smooth like the MPSS.

-James

You are right, low tread wear mean softer compound that sticks better but wears faster. I need to look into these Vredestein, not that familiar with them.

R3dn3k Flyby · 01-17-2017, 09:38 PM

Just make sure you do the Ultrac Vorti R version. The normal Vorti aren't anywhere near the same.

-James

Bimmma · 01-17-2017, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by josec70

Running Vredesteins (305/265) on a Stage 1 tune. Great looking tires that perform exceptionally well. I've had MPSS and Pirelli's in the past and this tire works much better IMO.

Jose, have you ever tried the Michelin cup 2's? I think those are suppose to be pretty decent too. Did you get the Vredesteins locally?

Bimmma · 01-17-2017, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by R3dn3k Flyby

Just make sure you do the Ultrac Vorti R version. The normal Vorti aren't anywhere near the same.

-James

Thanks for the tip James.

josec70 · 01-17-2017, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by R3dn3k Flyby

Just make sure you do the Ultrac Vorti R version. The normal Vorti aren't anywhere near the same.

-James

Agreed; I'm running Ultrac Vorti R as well.

josec70 · 01-17-2017, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmma

Jose, have you ever tried the Michelin cup 2's? I think those are suppose to be pretty decent too. Did you get the Vredesteins locally?

I have not tried the Mich Cup 2's. I bought the tires through Velos Designwerks / Wheels in Miami although they sourced them elsewhere if I recall correctly.

Aesthetically the Vreds are a great looking tire in addition to the performance benefits we've already mentioned.

6spdterror · 01-18-2017, 10:37 PM

Running Vredesteins on 21 inch velos on my M6GC. Enzo tuned stacked with JB4, MSR intakes and Downpipes. Love these tires! Had the PSS on my M5 and they were great but they were backorderd in this size for the new car so i went with Vreds and damn glad i did.

6spdterror · 01-18-2017, 10:42 PM

Good looking tire too with the carbon/checkered look on the sidewall. Heres a pic of mine

josec70 · 01-18-2017, 11:40 PM

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Good looking tire too with the carbon/checkered look on the sidewall. Heres a pic of mine

Sick ride.

Bimmma · 01-19-2017, 07:46 PM

6spdterror, nice ride. What are the specs on your wheels? Are you on stock suspension? I have a GC as well, looking to upgrade wheels soon.

josec70 · 01-19-2017, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmma

6spdterror, nice ride. What are the specs on your wheels? Are you on stock suspension? I have a GC as well, looking to upgrade wheels soon.

In case you're looking at Velos Wheels here are some pix of my car; Omar and the folks at Velos are great to deal with. 21"/KW HAS / Vredesteins

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=Velos

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=Velos

13M5F10 · 01-19-2017, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmma

What tires are you guys running on 21" wheels for optimum performance and traction, especially with any kind of tune or mods done? What tires would you guys recommend? Tire options are limited it seems.

I was running 21" Vorsteiner 3P forged wheels with Pilot Super Sport (265/30/21 & 303/25/21). I was running a stage 3 tune and full bolt on. Traction in optimum weather was good.

Vredestein makes a great tire too and highly recommended by quite a few friends.

Bimmma · 01-20-2017, 11:49 AM

So from the responses so far, Vredestein may be worth a try over the PSS. I currently have the PSS on the factory 20's with a tune (now stage I to ease my clutch slippage) and traction issues even in third gear were a problem when I had stage II tune.

R3dn3k Flyby · 01-20-2017, 12:50 PM

Vredestein are the only way to go in 21". Period.

If I wanted more grip in a 20", I would squeeze the Toyo R888 in the 315/30/20 in the back.

-James

6spdterror · 01-20-2017, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by josec70

Sick ride.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Bimmma

6spdterror, nice ride. What are the specs on your wheels? Are you on stock suspension? I have a GC as well, looking to upgrade wheels soon.

Thanks. Im on KW HAS suspension and the wheels are 21x9.5 in the front and 21x11 in the rear. The guys at Velos really know their stuff and service is top notch.

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Originally Posted by josec70

In case you're looking at Velos Wheels here are some pix of my car; Omar and the folks at Velos are great to deal with. 21"/KW HAS / Vredesteins

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=Velos

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=Velos

Links not working..

MpowerMike · 01-20-2017, 11:43 PM

PSS the best!

josec70 · 01-21-2017, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 6spdterror

Thanks!

Thanks. Im on KW HAS suspension and the wheels are 21x9.5 in the front and 21x11 in the rear. The guys at Velos really know their stuff and service is top notch.

Links not working..

See if this works

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=Velos

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=Velos

Bimmma · 01-21-2017, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by josec70

In case you're looking at Velos Wheels here are some pix of my car; Omar and the folks at Velos are great to deal with. 21"/KW HAS / Vredesteins

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=Velos

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=Velos

Jose, if you are able to meet up with us on Saturday, I'll check out your set up in person too.

01-17-2017, 05:52 PM	#1
Bimmma Private First Class 43 Rep 174 Posts Drives: E92 M3, F06 M6 Join Date: May 2010 Location: SoFL iTrader: (2)	Question for those with 21" wheels and also tuned What tires are you guys running on 21" wheels for optimum performance and traction, especially with any kind of tune or mods done? What tires would you guys recommend? Tire options are limited it seems.
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Housekeeping Lieutenant 596 Rep 469 Posts Drives: 2013 BMW M5 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Earth iTrader: (0)	I have Michelins in 305/25 on Dinan stag 2. No traction under 50 deg c....even at high speeds, can be scary
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01-17-2017, 08:25 PM	#3
josec70 Major General 4074 Rep 5,233 Posts Drives: 22' Individual Chalk M5C Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Miami iTrader: (2)	Running Vredesteins (305/265) on a Stage 1 tune. Great looking tires that perform exceptionally well. I've had MPSS and Pirelli's in the past and this tire works much better IMO. __________________ CURRENT: 22' INDIVIDUAL M5\| CHALK \| TARTUFO \| CCB \| MPE \| H&R \| IND GONE: 19' M5C\| SINGAPORE GREY\| ARAGON\|VELOS VLS-06\|H&R\|iPE\|IND\|XPEL\|CF\|RADENSO GONE: 15' F10 M5\|BSM\|BLACK\|VELOS VSS-S2\|KW\|AKRA\|IND\|CF \|ESCORT 360\|VELOS PIGGY GONE: 13' F10 M5\|SG\|BLACK\|AKRA\|KW\|IND LONG GONE: 09' E60 M5\|02' E39 M5
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R3dn3k Flyby BigMacs 69 Rep 492 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW M5 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Queen Creek, AZ iTrader: (5) Garage List 2019 BMW M5 [9.67]	Agreed regarding Vredestein Ultrac Vorti R. 265/305 combo on 21". Better grip than MPSS. Don't last as long as they're 160 tread wear compared to 300 on the MPSS, but that's also why they've got more grip. I get 20k miles out of my fronts and 10k miles out of my rears. They handle the twisties extremely well also, and are quiet and smooth like the MPSS. -James __________________ 2019 M5 : Black Sapphire Metallic / Black Full Merino / Carbon / B&W / Executive / Driving Assistance Plus / BMW Performance Carbon Fiber Front Splitters, Side Skirts, Rear Diffuser, Trunk Spoiler 2020 RDX A-Spec : Apex Blue Pearl / Red
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R3dn3k Flyby BigMacs 69 Rep 492 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW M5 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Queen Creek, AZ iTrader: (5) Garage List 2019 BMW M5 [9.67]	Just make sure you do the Ultrac Vorti R version. The normal Vorti aren't anywhere near the same. -James __________________ 2019 M5 : Black Sapphire Metallic / Black Full Merino / Carbon / B&W / Executive / Driving Assistance Plus / BMW Performance Carbon Fiber Front Splitters, Side Skirts, Rear Diffuser, Trunk Spoiler 2020 RDX A-Spec : Apex Blue Pearl / Red
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01-18-2017, 10:37 PM	#11
6spdterror Route Runner 137 Rep 661 Posts Drives: 16 ///M6 Gran Coupe Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	Running Vredesteins on 21 inch velos on my M6GC. Enzo tuned stacked with JB4, MSR intakes and Downpipes. Love these tires! Had the PSS on my M5 and they were great but they were backorderd in this size for the new car so i went with Vreds and damn glad i did. __________________ 16 SMB M6 Gran Coupe 16 BS X6 X-line (wife's truck) 13 AW M5 (sold) 04 Honda Pilot (everyday car)
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6spdterror Route Runner 137 Rep 661 Posts Drives: 16 ///M6 Gran Coupe Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	Good looking tire too with the carbon/checkered look on the sidewall. Heres a pic of mine __________________ 16 SMB M6 Gran Coupe 16 BS X6 X-line (wife's truck) 13 AW M5 (sold) 04 Honda Pilot (everyday car)
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01-19-2017, 07:46 PM	#14
Bimmma Private First Class 43 Rep 174 Posts Drives: E92 M3, F06 M6 Join Date: May 2010 Location: SoFL iTrader: (2)	6spdterror, nice ride. What are the specs on your wheels? Are you on stock suspension? I have a GC as well, looking to upgrade wheels soon.
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01-20-2017, 11:49 AM	#17
Bimmma Private First Class 43 Rep 174 Posts Drives: E92 M3, F06 M6 Join Date: May 2010 Location: SoFL iTrader: (2)	So from the responses so far, Vredestein may be worth a try over the PSS. I currently have the PSS on the factory 20's with a tune (now stage I to ease my clutch slippage) and traction issues even in third gear were a problem when I had stage II tune.
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R3dn3k Flyby BigMacs 69 Rep 492 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW M5 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Queen Creek, AZ iTrader: (5) Garage List 2019 BMW M5 [9.67]	Vredestein are the only way to go in 21". Period. If I wanted more grip in a 20", I would squeeze the Toyo R888 in the 315/30/20 in the back. -James __________________ 2019 M5 : Black Sapphire Metallic / Black Full Merino / Carbon / B&W / Executive / Driving Assistance Plus / BMW Performance Carbon Fiber Front Splitters, Side Skirts, Rear Diffuser, Trunk Spoiler 2020 RDX A-Spec : Apex Blue Pearl / Red
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01-20-2017, 11:43 PM	#20
MpowerMike Major 361 Rep 1,123 Posts Drives: 2012 IB BMW M5 Join Date: May 2014 Location: T.O. Canada iTrader: (1)	PSS the best!
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