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      01-24-2017, 01:50 PM   #1
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Future S55 Engine Software Updates for Non-ZCP Cars

I've been wondering how BMW will address future engine software updates for the 2015-2017 civic m3/m4. We know now that the 2018 LCI is going to affect both models, but we don't know how that translates to engine software. My hope is that BMW cleans up the engine mapping for the pre-LCI cars and helps smooth out the stock tune (a la ZCP) without the burbles/power bump. Now I'm not saying BMW should give us the ZCP features, but at least improve the stock tune. I'd like to see better throttle plate/EWG/fueling tuning.

Has the tune actually improved over time and not just had power limited? Does anyone have logs for a 2017 base S55 with the most up to date software?

When I ordered my 2016 M3 I didn't have the option of ZCP, and I'd like to keep my current car. I'll probably go with BM3 eventually, but for now I'm just wondering if the base cars will get improved engine software.
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yes, please. without the fart/burbles
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VF-Engineering has a tune that will bring the car in line with the ZCP factory map. This includes not only the moderate power bump and the 'GTS' features but also things like throttle plate control which was said to be improved on the ZCP and in genernal helps with driveability/smoothness and getting the power to the ground. An option for people that don't want to push their cars further than what BMW is already doing.
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evolmotorsprt you will be beyond happy once you go BM3 ;
the World's First factory ECU (DME) flash tuning platform for the BMW F series called bootmod3.

Up until bootmod3 came into existence there were two popular ways of tuning the BMW F series, using a piggyback device to add boost and sending your ECU (DME) out for a one time flash to a tuner of your choice. With the piggyback the end user has partial control over the boost the car is running but no direct control over any other engine parameters such as ignition timing, lambda targets, fuel pressure targets, torque/load targetting, throttle mapping, valve timing and duration, among others. With the one time flash some tuners were providing the ECU would get reprogrammed on the bench and many of the parameters above would get adjusted. However, if the end user wanted to customize their tune for different modifications, octane levels, go bigger turbos, built motor, datalog how the car was running, to get the most performance out of their car there simply wasn't any way of doing so, until now!

Copied from http://www.protuningfreaks.com/pages/bootmod3-faq
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I appreciate your recommendations regarding flash tuning, but I'd really like to know about BMW's plans for OEM software. My car has the revised bedplate, but I'm going to wait a while longer before I compromise the warranty. I'm going to drive my car hard and wait to see how the early 2016 revisions hold up on other's cars before throwing caution to the wind. I know I'm a wuss. That's why I'd like to know what's going on with BMW's software updates, and if they are improving the base engine tune.
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yes, please. without the fart/burbles
I read this as "yes, please. without the fart bubbles"
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Next week after first service i install jb4 and can do some map4 logs. Car was delivered the 16th of jan.
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I appreciate your recommendations regarding flash tuning, but I'd really like to know about BMW's plans for OEM software. My car has the revised bedplate, but I'm going to wait a while longer before I compromise the warranty. I'm going to drive my car hard and wait to see how the early 2016 revisions hold up on other's cars before throwing caution to the wind. I know I'm a wuss. That's why I'd like to know what's going on with BMW's software updates, and if they are improving the base engine tune.
I have an early 2016 with the revised bed plate but not ZCP. I did 5 track days last summer. The car is holding up, as I expected as this is what it was designed for, with nothing to complain about other than the cost of tires!! Throwing caution to the wind now... if you know what I mean.
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Next week after first service i install jb4 and can do some map4 logs. Car was delivered the 16th of jan.
Thanks! I'd really appreciate it.
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VF-Engineering has a tune that will bring the car in line with the ZCP factory map. This includes not only the moderate power bump and the 'GTS' features but also things like throttle plate control which was said to be improved on the ZCP and in genernal helps with driveability/smoothness and getting the power to the ground. An option for people that don't want to push their cars further than what BMW is already doing.
Is it true that they have the ZCP specific tune? I looked at their VF Hex Thread and saw that you can add just the GTS/ZCP features, but it doesn't have the power increase.

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You'll get the Start-Up Roar ... Throttle Overrun (burble) ... Turbo and Waste-gate acoustics ...
and Sport Gauge Power Level Increase of the "GTS" model, all with no change to your stock
power levels.

We've sold quite a few to piggy-back customers who just wanted the presence and personality of the
ZCP/GTS cars. It's also been requested a lot recently as a "winter file" for those who are daily driving
their cars in the cold and wet.
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VF-Engineering has a tune that will bring the car in line with the ZCP factory map. This includes not only the moderate power bump and the 'GTS' features but also things like throttle plate control which was said to be improved on the ZCP and in genernal helps with driveability/smoothness and getting the power to the ground. An option for people that don't want to push their cars further than what BMW is already doing.
Is it true that they have the ZCP specific tune? I looked at their VF Hex Thread and saw that you can add just the GTS/ZCP features, but it doesn't have the power increase.

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Originally Posted by VF-Engineering View Post
You'll get the Start-Up Roar ... Throttle Overrun (burble) ... Turbo and Waste-gate acoustics ...
and Sport Gauge Power Level Increase of the "GTS" model, all with no change to your stock
power levels.

We've sold quite a few to piggy-back customers who just wanted the presence and personality of the
ZCP/GTS cars. It's also been requested a lot recently as a "winter file" for those who are daily driving
their cars in the cold and wet.
Yes, they have a ZCP tune. It's not mentioned much but if you do a search of their posts for ZCP you will come upon it. Features Only and ZCP are two different options. I will hopefully have a write up of it here within the coming week.
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Yes, they have a ZCP tune. It's not mentioned much but if you do a search of their posts for ZCP you will come upon it. Features Only and ZCP are two different options. I will hopefully have a write up of it here within the coming week.
Looking forward to hearing about your experience.
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Next week after first service i install jb4 and can do some map4 logs. Car was delivered the 16th of jan.
Let us know your thoughts once JB is installed.

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VF-Engineering has a tune that will bring the car in line with the ZCP factory map. This includes not only the moderate power bump and the 'GTS' features but also things like throttle plate control which was said to be improved on the ZCP and in genernal helps with driveability/smoothness and getting the power to the ground. An option for people that don't want to push their cars further than what BMW is already doing.
Void your warranty to get stock ZCP power and burbles? Doesn't sound like a very good plan to me.
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PM me your mail address then i send you some map4 logs.
Thanks for the follow up! PM Sent.
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