Tossing the run-flats?

Lederhosen · 06-12-2017, 01:05 PM

Researching the web about run-flat tires for my 1er. Lots and lots of horror stories out there about repeated run-flat failures with the overwhelming majority seemingly on BMW cars. Is the smart money on just abandoning the run-flats? And then that probably means upgrading the suspension which will be too soft (even with my MSport package) with the less stiff sidewalled non-RF tires. Also would mean now carrying a jack, lug wrench, bottle of Fix-A-Flat...

c1pher · 06-12-2017, 01:34 PM

I don't think my suspension is too soft for my non-runflats tires. And after having screw go into the tread and sidewall I really think runflats are overrated. All the BMWs I am looking at now have PSS tires too.

swagon · 06-12-2017, 03:14 PM

For sure ditch the RFTs. It's the first thing to do! It's made around the run flats so it might feel softer than before to you, yeah. But that can be fixed, too.

Put all the shit under the trunk mat, next to the battery and you're good to go.

burtwrangler · 06-21-2017, 12:11 PM

I just made the switch and picked up a donut/spare. If you don't care about having the 100 dollar BMW tire change kit, I recommend stashing a bottle jack and wrench next to the battery in the back.

Lederhosen congrats on the m-sport find.

MightyMouseTech · 06-21-2017, 12:21 PM

Oh my god, so much better without them!

a4nut · 06-21-2017, 06:58 PM

Getting rid of mine tomorrow and can't wait. PSS here I come!!

1and1 · 06-21-2017, 07:01 PM

Heck yeah, me too, tho I won't have time to get em mounted till this weekend.

c1pher · 06-21-2017, 07:24 PM

Damn, I was trying to find some of those. But still very happy with my Michelin A/S3+.

shawnyeeah · 06-22-2017, 02:17 PM

Hate the RFT with a passion. Finally getting the newly released Continental tires mounted tomorrow. And Firehawks are now in stock for 215/245s I believe.

1and1 · 06-22-2017, 02:23 PM

Yup, I ended up going with the 215/245 combo, pictured above. Heads up tho- the 245's are ~$175. They were only charging $112 for the 255's before they went on perma-backorder...

rho123 · 06-22-2017, 03:04 PM

I read on the tire rack site that the TPMS won't work if you switch to non-RFT. Is this true?

a4nut · 06-23-2017, 08:02 PM

Not true. Just had PSSs installed yesterday and no issues. Frankly the improvements in ride quality and responsiveness is nothing short of amazing. So happy I ditched the run rocks!!

shawnyeeah · 06-24-2017, 12:52 AM

Absolutely loving my Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires. And suspension doesn't feel soft or floaty at all thankfully. Will be running this tire from now on, and I think it is a good upgrade from the previous Continental DW tires I used for my 328i.

NDion80 · 06-24-2017, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by yeezy4me

Absolutely loving my Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires. And suspension doesn't feel soft or floaty at all thankfully. Will be running this tire from now on, and I think it is a good upgrade from the previous Continental DW tires I used for my 328i.

I just got those as well. I'm with you on that one. I love them.

1and1 · 06-24-2017, 09:12 PM

Had the Firestones mounted today.

sooooooo nice to have the run flat bricks off, holy shit what a massive improvement!

VMRWheels · 06-27-2017, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1and1

Had the Firestones mounted today.

sooooooo nice to have the run flat bricks off, holy shit what a massive improvement!

How do you like them? I've heard nothing but good things about them. I'm considering a set for my car.

1and1 · 06-27-2017, 01:00 PM

Well, I've only got ~140 miles on em, so am just starting to get a true sense of how they'll settle in.

So far I'd say they fairly earned their no.1 ranking on TireRack. Although it's still early in their life with me, they seem comparable to the last gen Conti DW. I can't compare against the new Conti Sport version, haven't had a chance to sample those yet.

Dry is great, I'm still being easy on em a bit, but find low gear traction to be significantly improved and am having to relearn the line where TC kicks in- tho I had bald bridgestone RFT's in the back before so that's not hardly surprising.

Wet I haven't seen a hard core Florida down pour yet, but in the few light rains they've behaved really well, very much reminding me of the DW's as noted above.

Initial turn in is, of course, a touch slower reacting than the RFT's. I've only had the RFT's on the 1er, so can't really compare turn in feel to PSS or DW's on this platform. After the autocross specific alignment I've run for the last several years on the Speed6 pretty much anything seems to have a really slow turn in tho, so I'll just say it's perfectly acceptable.

Suspension feel is certainly softer- still very detailed just less harsh. I'm on the stock 135i bouncy bits. I'm beginning to feel the stock RSFB's. Happy I got the WL inserts to stuff in there.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they behave with another 10-15,000 miles on em, but for now I'm happily another positive review in a long, l o n g, line of positive reviews...

gtjosh · 07-07-2017, 08:08 AM

Just wanted to give my review if the firehawks. I have had them them in my car for almost a year now and there is nothing bad about these tires that I can say. I have put them through their paces and they have never let me down. They have been pushed in the texas hill county, pushed at the tail of the dragon, and only when they are really pushed at the track the front starts to let go. They have never felt unstable in the rain and so far the tread wear after 10k miles looks great. The ride is smoother than with the RFT and they respond better. I hear they are hard to find now but I hope firestone keeps these in production.

My car is a 2011 with cp upgrade and mhd stage 1 tune. I'm running 225/40/18 and 255/35/18 tires on 261 wheels.

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Lederhosen New Member 1 Rep 9 Posts Drives: 128i MSport. Prev: 320i, 325Xi Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: USA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 128i [0.00]	Tossing the run-flats? Researching the web about run-flat tires for my 1er. Lots and lots of horror stories out there about repeated run-flat failures with the overwhelming majority seemingly on BMW cars. Is the smart money on just abandoning the run-flats? And then that probably means upgrading the suspension which will be too soft (even with my MSport package) with the less stiff sidewalled non-RF tires. Also would mean now carrying a jack, lug wrench, bottle of Fix-A-Flat... __________________ ...und tschüß!
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c1pher Primo Generalissimo 4672 Rep 4,023 Posts Drives: All of them Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: DC area iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 Porsche 911 Ca ... [10.00] 2023 BMW M2 [9.00] 2023 Porsche Macan GTS [10.00] 2022 Ford F-250 Tremor [8.50]	I don't think my suspension is too soft for my non-runflats tires. And after having screw go into the tread and sidewall I really think runflats are overrated. All the BMWs I am looking at now have PSS tires too.
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06-12-2017, 03:14 PM	#3
swagon Major General 13524 Rep 8,165 Posts Drives: F80 6MT Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: . iTrader: (0)	For sure ditch the RFTs. It's the first thing to do! It's made around the run flats so it might feel softer than before to you, yeah. But that can be fixed, too. Put all the shit under the trunk mat, next to the battery and you're good to go.
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06-21-2017, 12:11 PM	#4
burtwrangler New Member 2 Rep 16 Posts Drives: 2012 128i MT Sport Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	I just made the switch and picked up a donut/spare. If you don't care about having the 100 dollar BMW tire change kit, I recommend stashing a bottle jack and wrench next to the battery in the back. Lederhosen congrats on the m-sport find.
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06-21-2017, 12:21 PM	#5
MightyMouseTech Major General 4338 Rep 6,196 Posts Drives: 13 135i 6MT LeMans Blue MSport Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada iTrader: (0)	Oh my god, so much better without them!
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06-21-2017, 06:58 PM	#6
a4nut Private First Class 103 Rep 174 Posts Drives: 13 135is Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (1)	Getting rid of mine tomorrow and can't wait. PSS here I come!!
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06-21-2017, 07:01 PM	#7
1and1 Loves me some MHD! 1858 Rep 1,719 Posts Drives: faster than he should... Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tally, FL iTrader: (2) Garage List '09 135i [10.00]	Heck yeah, me too, tho I won't have time to get em mounted till this weekend. Attached Images __________________ 1and1 135i - E82.N54 2009 BSM - MHD / xHP / DCI, PR CP & 7.5" Race IC / N55 mid & Borla . . WL RSFI, Koni, Eibach & Dinan CP's, M3 CA's / EBC Red's & Firehawk 500's X1 - E84.N20 2013 MGM - JB4 - The Wife's, now with new turbo & ewg
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06-22-2017, 02:17 PM	#9
shawnyeeah Private First Class 20 Rep 103 Posts Drives: '12 N55 135i Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (1)	Hate the RFT with a passion. Finally getting the newly released Continental tires mounted tomorrow. And Firehawks are now in stock for 215/245s I believe.
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06-22-2017, 02:23 PM	#10
1and1 Loves me some MHD! 1858 Rep 1,719 Posts Drives: faster than he should... Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tally, FL iTrader: (2) Garage List '09 135i [10.00]	Yup, I ended up going with the 215/245 combo, pictured above. Heads up tho- the 245's are ~$175. They were only charging $112 for the 255's before they went on perma-backorder... Attached Images __________________ 1and1 135i - E82.N54 2009 BSM - MHD / xHP / DCI, PR CP & 7.5" Race IC / N55 mid & Borla . . WL RSFI, Koni, Eibach & Dinan CP's, M3 CA's / EBC Red's & Firehawk 500's X1 - E84.N20 2013 MGM - JB4 - The Wife's, now with new turbo & ewg
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06-22-2017, 03:04 PM	#11
rho123 Private First Class 28 Rep 102 Posts Drives: 2013 128i - sold, 2007 Z4C Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0)	I read on the tire rack site that the TPMS won't work if you switch to non-RFT. Is this true?
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06-23-2017, 08:02 PM	#12
a4nut Private First Class 103 Rep 174 Posts Drives: 13 135is Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (1)	Not true. Just had PSSs installed yesterday and no issues. Frankly the improvements in ride quality and responsiveness is nothing short of amazing. So happy I ditched the run rocks!!
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06-24-2017, 12:52 AM	#13
shawnyeeah Private First Class 20 Rep 103 Posts Drives: '12 N55 135i Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (1)	Absolutely loving my Continental ExtremeContact Sport tires. And suspension doesn't feel soft or floaty at all thankfully. Will be running this tire from now on, and I think it is a good upgrade from the previous Continental DW tires I used for my 328i.
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1and1 Loves me some MHD! 1858 Rep 1,719 Posts Drives: faster than he should... Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tally, FL iTrader: (2) Garage List '09 135i [10.00]	Had the Firestones mounted today. sooooooo nice to have the run flat bricks off, holy shit what a massive improvement! __________________ 1and1 135i - E82.N54 2009 BSM - MHD / xHP / DCI, PR CP & 7.5" Race IC / N55 mid & Borla . . WL RSFI, Koni, Eibach & Dinan CP's, M3 CA's / EBC Red's & Firehawk 500's X1 - E84.N20 2013 MGM - JB4 - The Wife's, now with new turbo & ewg
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1and1 Loves me some MHD! 1858 Rep 1,719 Posts Drives: faster than he should... Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tally, FL iTrader: (2) Garage List '09 135i [10.00]	Well, I've only got ~140 miles on em, so am just starting to get a true sense of how they'll settle in. So far I'd say they fairly earned their no.1 ranking on TireRack. Although it's still early in their life with me, they seem comparable to the last gen Conti DW. I can't compare against the new Conti Sport version, haven't had a chance to sample those yet. Dry is great, I'm still being easy on em a bit, but find low gear traction to be significantly improved and am having to relearn the line where TC kicks in- tho I had bald bridgestone RFT's in the back before so that's not hardly surprising. Wet I haven't seen a hard core Florida down pour yet, but in the few light rains they've behaved really well, very much reminding me of the DW's as noted above. Initial turn in is, of course, a touch slower reacting than the RFT's. I've only had the RFT's on the 1er, so can't really compare turn in feel to PSS or DW's on this platform. After the autocross specific alignment I've run for the last several years on the Speed6 pretty much anything seems to have a really slow turn in tho, so I'll just say it's perfectly acceptable. Suspension feel is certainly softer- still very detailed just less harsh. I'm on the stock 135i bouncy bits. I'm beginning to feel the stock RSFB's. Happy I got the WL inserts to stuff in there. I'm looking forward to seeing how they behave with another 10-15,000 miles on em, but for now I'm happily another positive review in a long, l o n g, line of positive reviews... __________________ 1and1 135i - E82.N54 2009 BSM - MHD / xHP / DCI, PR CP & 7.5" Race IC / N55 mid & Borla . . WL RSFI, Koni, Eibach & Dinan CP's, M3 CA's / EBC Red's & Firehawk 500's X1 - E84.N20 2013 MGM - JB4 - The Wife's, now with new turbo & ewg
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07-07-2017, 08:08 AM	#18
gtjosh Private First Class 21 Rep 120 Posts Drives: Silver 2011 135i DCT Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Braunfels, TX iTrader: (1)	Just wanted to give my review if the firehawks. I have had them them in my car for almost a year now and there is nothing bad about these tires that I can say. I have put them through their paces and they have never let me down. They have been pushed in the texas hill county, pushed at the tail of the dragon, and only when they are really pushed at the track the front starts to let go. They have never felt unstable in the rain and so far the tread wear after 10k miles looks great. The ride is smoother than with the RFT and they respond better. I hear they are hard to find now but I hope firestone keeps these in production. My car is a 2011 with cp upgrade and mhd stage 1 tune. I'm running 225/40/18 and 255/35/18 tires on 261 wheels.
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