The Big Build

[gman_newyork]

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[AlexNFH]

Awesome....keep us updated.
Can not wait to read about the results.

Good luck,

Alex

[M3nmotion18]

Hell yeah!! Plz let us know... this will be a beast!!!

[PAY M3]

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

I decided to go all in after getting the horsepower bug at a Wannagofast half mile event. Car is currently lightly modified with BM3 stage 2, custom E85 tune by F80Paul (Paul Johnson Tunes) making 630whp and 690lb/tq. Low 10 second quarter mile and 159.91 mph half mile from a dig on non-prepped runway while still on stock turbos.

March 4th the motor is coming out for a complete build. All work will be done by Five Bar Motorsports except for full port head.

List of Modifications:

Built Engine Stock Bore/Compression (Wiseco pistons and Pauter rods)
Full port head with valves, springs and ARP head bolts by HeadGames Motorworks
Forced Induction Interchiller
Stock intakes with carbon filters removed
Catless Downpipes
DSS driveshaft and rear axles
SSP Spec R Clutch
Stock intake manifold
Stock MAP sensor
Pure stage 2+ turbos
Fuel-it stage 4 PI with AIC6 controller and bluetooth ethanol sensor
ESS Charge Pipes
Maximum PSI crank hub fix
BM3
E85 tune by F80Paul

Build will take approximately 6-8 weeks due to core swaps, head work, dyno tuning and datalogging. I hope to document the entire build process via Instagram @nok1ds. I will also do my best to update the forum as well.

I need to thank multiple people who assisted me with their time, knowledge, experience and help sourcing parts. Specifically Peter from Pure, Mike from Maximum PSI, David from Headgames and Paul Johnson. I cannot thank these professionals enough!!

Once completed and dialed in I will post results. Goals for the car are 900+ whp, low 9 second quarter mile, 180+ mph half mile and still daily driving. To say that I am excited is an understatement. The car should be a beast!!

Everything out the door, what do you think final cost is including install? Once my warranty runs out I might go the same direction.

[Justin.AutoTalent]

Originally Posted by PAY M3

Everything out the door, what do you think final cost is including install? Once my warranty runs out I might go the same direction.

Out the door after installation, that's probably a 50k bill easy.

Just at a quick glance and with the knowledge of average labor time on the east coast.

We've done a few builds almost as heavy as that (minus axles and built bottom end). The bill usually tallies up around 25k just for: Turbos, Clutches, PI, Exhaust, Tuning, Meth.

[gman_newyork]

Approximately $35k in parts. Biggest costs in parts are the turbos, PI and custom head work. Those three items alone are in the $15k ballpark. You can save about $2k if you do a pocket port instead of full port and use OEM head bolts. We are expecting approximately 160+/- labor hours and another 8-10 hours dyno tuning/tweaking so depending upon the labor rate $60k+/- if all goes smoothly.

FYI my warranty is still intact and I am just too impatient to wait for it to end. With this level of build and investment I really don't see the need to wait for the warranty to end in my opinion but that's a personal choice. It's peanuts in the big picture. It's the old saying if you want to play you gotta pay lol.

[PAY M3]

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

Approximately $35k in parts. Biggest costs in parts are the turbos, PI and custom head work. Those three items alone are in the $15k ballpark. You can save about $2k if you do a pocket port instead of full port and use OEM head bolts. We are expecting approximately 160+/- labor hours and another 8-10 hours dyno tuning/tweaking so depending upon the labor rate $60k+/- if all goes smoothly.

FYI my warranty is still intact and I am just too impatient to wait for it to end. With this level of build and investment I really don't see the need to wait for the warranty to end in my opinion but that's a personal choice. It's peanuts in the big picture. It's the old saying if you want to play you gotta pay lol.

That's awesome! When you say daily driven, will this build be just as reliable as the car is in stock configuration?

Don't me to sound daft, this is a legit question as I had a Mustang a while back that made me worried to mod anything after that!

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by PAY M3

That's awesome! When you say daily driven, will this build be just as reliable as the car is in stock configuration?

Don't me to sound daft, this is a legit question as I had a Mustang a while back that made me worried to mod anything after that!

That's the intent but only time will tell. I plan on tuning E85 for pure numbers/drag racing duty and running a slightly detuned 93 octane for daily. Probably around 750ish whp. Too many unknowns to say 100% yes but from my research and talking to people in the industry that have similar builds daily driving shouldn't be an issue. Obviously there will be more maintenance and shorter intervals for plugs, oil, etc.

[chewbakam4]

Holy crap! This is awesome!!! Looking forward to this monster!

[M3SQRD]

Awesome build. Can’t wait to see the final results!

[Machtavian]

Have you thought about going with the Kratos turbos? They seem like a lot better turbo especially for what you're planning on doing. I feel that the stock manifold is extremely restrictive. Based on their dyno results, I think they might be a better option.

Just my .02 cents... Good luck with the build. I'm super excited to see the results.

[Bluer2]

I got 3 words for you.

RK TUNES SINGLE TURBO 1100+WHP Setup. DO IT!!!!

[MR RIZK]

gman_newyork and for a second I thought this was another build thread for a front lip and some stickers.

Good to see you are jumping all in with the mods and covering off the critical areas. Wish you all the best in the build and looking forward to the results!!

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by Bluer2

I got 3 words for you.

RK TUNES SINGLE TURBO 1100+WHP Setup. DO IT!!!!

Already invested way too much money to go another route. Plus I like the power delivery of the twins

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by MR RIZK

gman_newyork and for a second I thought this was another build thread for a front lip and some stickers.

Good to see you are jumping all in with the mods and covering off the critical areas. Wish you all the best in the build and looking forward to the results!!

No lips or stickers on my car lol. Oops I take that back I am rockin a BM3 sticker

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by Bluer2

I got 3 words for you.

RK TUNES SINGLE TURBO 1100+WHP Setup. DO IT!!!!

Trying to figure out the 3 words lol...kidding. Definitely some serious power and hard work from the team at RK Tunes

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by Machtavian

Have you thought about going with the Kratos turbos? They seem like a lot better turbo especially for what you're planning on doing. I feel that the stock manifold is extremely restrictive. Based on their dyno results, I think they might be a better option.

Just my .02 cents... Good luck with the build. I'm super excited to see the results.

+1

[TKT2SPEED]

Congrats! Looking forward to your results a lot of the same people have helped with mine.....Tag your it...... lets see who gets to 180 first

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by TKT2SPEED

Congrats! Looking forward to your results a lot of the same people have helped with mine.....Tag your it...... lets see who gets to 180 first

Sounds fun I wish my build started about a month sooner so I could have attended the next Wannagofast event in mid April. I underestimated the time required for the build as I've never built a car to this level. It's already been quite the journey and learning on the fly. Luckily there are some really passionate people on this platform that helped me a lot. I still have plenty to learn and the motor isn't even out yet!!

[Commanderwiggin]

Have you considered the Kratos turbo offering? I'm pretty confident that for a half mile setup they will yield impressive results when compared to the pure S2+ offerings; my reason being the larger turbines will allow more flow on an extended gear pull in the half. I have ran multiple setups over the years and the biggest dynamic benefit was when I bumped up the turbine size.

When you have a turbine which can handle the flow say when you switch gears all the added heat and exhaust pressure which has built up will essentially make your power lower in each progressive gear. As a simple example say you have an average of 900whp through your powerband in 3rd...your average will drop to 850whp in 4th...800whp in 5th...as an example on a choked up curve where torque is falling off and say horsepower is flat (this is how the pure s2 and s2+ dyno curves are). You want horsepower to keep climbing and torque to remain relatively flat.

Anyways should be a fun setup and I would caution you away from some of the more radical thoughts such as the drexler diff/t400. The interchiller seems a bit silly to me as well but I understand the benefit.

TKT2SPEED has a great setup and iirc has hit 178+? in a true standing half mile. I have mad respect for a true daily driveable street car setup like his.

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin

Have you considered the Kratos turbo offering? I'm pretty confident that for a half mile setup they will yield impressive results when compared to the pure S2+ offerings; my reason being the larger turbines will allow more flow on an extended gear pull in the half. I have ran multiple setups over the years and the biggest dynamic benefit was when I bumped up the turbine size.

When you have a turbine which can handle the flow say when you switch gears all the added heat and exhaust pressure which has built up will essentially make your power lower in each progressive gear. As a simple example say you have an average of 900whp through your powerband in 3rd...your average will drop to 850whp in 4th...800whp in 5th...as an example on a choked up curve where torque is falling off and say horsepower is flat (this is how the pure s2 and s2+ dyno curves are). You want horsepower to keep climbing and torque to remain relatively flat.

Anyways should be a fun setup and I would caution you away from some of the more radical thoughts such as the drexler diff/t400. The interchiller seems a bit silly to me as well but I understand the benefit.

TKT2SPEED has a great setup and iirc has hit 178+? in a true standing half mile. I have mad respect for a true daily driveable street car setup like his.

Wow..thank you for the informative post. Where were you $20k ago lol. I did consider Kratos and may end up trying them down the road as the results so far are amazing. Just bad timing for me with product release dates and my build timeframe.

As for the Interchiller, if it does what I want it to do regarding IAT'S then I think it's a good mod for people living in hot climates. My IAT'S are consistently 110°+ due to the climate. It definitely won't hurt anything but my wallet.

Yes TKT2SPEED is the half mile record holder and has offered up a friendly competition to see who gets to 180 mph first.

At the end of the day I just want to enjoy the journey and daily drive it

[Commanderwiggin]

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

Wow..thank you for the informative post. Where were you $20k ago lol. I did consider Kratos and may end up trying them down the road as the results so far are amazing. Just bad timing for me with product release dates and my build timeframe.

As for the Interchiller, if it does what I want it to do regarding IAT'S then I think it's a good mod for people living in hot climates. My IAT'S are consistently 110°+ due to the climate. It definitely won't hurt anything but my wallet.

Yes TKT2SPEED is the half mile record holder and has offered up a friendly competition to see who gets to 180 mph first.

At the end of the day I just want to enjoy the journey and daily drive it

There's more to it than just a big turbine but the compressor/turbine setup needs to be sized properly. I think the Pure S2's have bigger compressor with a clipped turbine. Regardless looking forward to seeing you get this beast rolling. I've started thinking about modding my M2C with a milder setup so the more people pushing the platform is great. Hopefully EcuTEK has a true Flexfuel offering.