Why no HUD ???

mastek · 08-27-2008, 01:39 AM

Dont understand. why they would omit such a high-tech feature out of the most techno-savy sports car yet ...

especially since the M5 had/has it.

Phoenix 21st · 08-27-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mastek

Dont understand. why they would omit such a high-tech feature out of the most techno-savy sports car yet ...

especially since the M5 had/has it.

Because there is not enough room in the dash, was the general thinking.

Mickb · 08-27-2008, 02:54 AM

I think its to allow the M6 flagship models to retain some exclusivety, some novel features, without which they would ultimately be rendered pointless by the E92 M3, since afaics the M3 is just as good a GT car, while handling better and offering more practicality.

A bit like Porsche not offering an LSD with the Cayman, and keeping the power down, because if those two things were addressed the car would outperform the 911.

Mick

mkoesel · 08-27-2008, 03:54 AM

No HUD on 3 series means no HUD on M3. M spends their money primarily on performance.

synclastica_86 · 08-27-2008, 09:13 AM

The M3 is not in the price range for HUDs was what I was told by the dealer. So how come the Nissan blue bird (a 10 year old car), which is much cheaper, has it? But again, if the japs don't throw in such gadgets, people won't fall for them. He also said that they don't want M5/6 buyers considering the cheaper M3 instead. So I guess the HUD is what makes or breaks a car. M3 owners! Trash your ride now! It has no HUD!

Zirenz2006 · 08-27-2008, 09:45 AM

I got to use HUD extensively in a 6 series for a day and although it is cool, it is definitely something I can live without.

southlight · 08-27-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix 21st

Because there is not enough room in the dash, was the general thinking.

Yes, I think that's the common explanation for this. With the introduction of a new and smaller version of HUD in the 7 series there's hope for the coming 3 series though.

Best regards, south

Dascamel · 08-27-2008, 10:06 AM

Upgraded HUD from the 6 from would nice, as it stands didn't love the hud when I saw it.

skierman64 · 08-27-2008, 10:06 AM

The car already weighs enough.

Zirenz2006 · 08-27-2008, 10:24 AM

Lets keep our "heads up" for now and maybe it will make it to the 3 series eventually.

Bad joke, I know.

KenH · 08-27-2008, 10:31 AM

I have had HUD in my X5 for over a year now. If it had been an option when I bought my M3 recently I would not have ordered it.
One thing about it may not be well known. To avoid double images the windshield is specially made with a taper from top to bottom - it is not parallel as usual.
I hate to think what a replacement would cost.

inmotion · 08-27-2008, 10:45 AM

I personally find HUD a very nice feature. Whenever I sit in my other cars without it, it feels odd to not see the stats on the glass especially navigational directions.

JEllis · 08-27-2008, 10:50 AM

I read in a recent car mag about auto fads that never should have been. The auto HUD was included among things like digital dashes (S2000).....

Jason

Big Windy · 08-28-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JEllis

I read in a recent car mag about auto fads that never should have been. The auto HUD was included among things like digital dashes (S2000).....

Jason

interesting...i think that HUD is cool, but can see how others would think this. looking back it will probably look very dated and elementary.

M3WC · 08-28-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JEllis

I read in a recent car mag about auto fads that never should have been. The auto HUD was included among things like digital dashes (S2000).....

Jason

They most likely they never laid eyes on the M5 hud. It is pretty damn nice.

Minimization · 08-28-2008, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

They most likely they never laid eyes on the M5 hud. It is pretty damn nice.

CNET.com recently tooled on the M6's HUD.

bruce.augenstein@comcast. · 08-28-2008, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Zirenz2006

I got to use HUD extensively in a 6 series for a day and although it is cool, it is definitely something I can live without.

I've driven a Vette on track with hud for a couple of laps, and although it wasn't enough time for me to acclimate, I could see where the hud might be of some value while you were learning a track, or taking an unfamiliar car to a familiar track. By extension, if you were trying to hammer it some on unfamiliar roads, this might be a good feature.

The obvious value is that you don't have to move your sightline and focus as much to check your speedo/tach, etc. - but one of our sons has been driving F/A-18s for around 15 years, and he says he's never missed it in his cars.

Bruce

WCH · 08-28-2008, 07:44 AM

I have the HUD on my X5 (came with the option, not selected) and although it was cool at first, I too wouldn't have ordered it with my M3. The best part is the Nav instructions but if you wear polarized sunglasses, the HUD becomes invisible so it's really only useful on cloudy days or at night.

inmotion · 08-28-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WCH

I have the HUD on my X5 (came with the option, not selected) and although it was cool at first, I too wouldn't have ordered it with my M3. The best part is the Nav instructions but if you wear polarized sunglasses, the HUD becomes invisible so it's really only useful on cloudy days or at night.

Yes, that is true. If you wear dark polarized glasses, HUD disappears. Fortunately, I wear medium tinted sunglasses.

ersin · 08-28-2008, 01:14 PM

IMHO, HUD is pretty much useless with one exception: showing the V1 radar detector display and your speed on the windscreen when the V1 catches a bogie.

Pitkis · 08-28-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by southlight

Yes, I think that's the common explanation for this. With the introduction of a new and smaller version of HUD in the 7 series there's hope for the coming 3 series though.

Do you have more info? I met HUD subcontractor of X5/X6 and F10 last year and he said there's no coming smaller HUD units for couple of years. We had a long talk and went through a of lot HUD info.

I have driven over 60 000 miles with HUD and really like it. Would have opted it instantly for my M3.

Who's HUD supplier for F01?

elcarajo · 08-28-2008, 09:56 PM

I've seen the HUD demonstrated, and it didn't look to me like a must-have (IMHO). I saw the IR/nightvision thing at BMW-Welt, though, and that looked like a brilliant idea. A little difficult to watch the navi screen and drive simultaneously, but potentially handy for those of us in the sticks where the risk of hitting moose, deer, fox, etc, is greater than that of hitting a person or car. When they combine the two (HUD and IR), I'll be all over it.

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